Why not a 5 shot.44 magnum hunting revolver?s

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Why not a 5 shot .44 magnum hunting revolver?s

Howdy folks,

I got thinking today and I am wondering how come no one currently makes a 5 shot .44 magnum hunting revolver (6" barrel)?

Personally, a .44 magnum chambered in a GP100 or a S&W L-frame would be a pretty convenient in the field.

So, anyone have any thoughts on my idea?
 
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They are not big enough.
An L frame S&W - the 696 - is barely big enough for .44 Special and not real heavy loads at that.
Dave Clement will convert a GP 100 to .44 Special and says it is ok for a 250 at 1200, Keith loads. $1250 on your gun.

There have been some L frame conversions to .41 Special (not magnum) that will do over 1000 fps with a 210 gr bullet.
 
In my State your only allowed to load five rounds for hunting so a 5 shot would be nice! I was thinking a 5 shot 45 Colt but a 44 mag would be good.
 
Taurus Tracker 5-shot.

I just bought one, but I agree that the frame might be a bit light for true magnum loads.

Looking forward to putting mine through the paces with some moderate loads. It's very light, quite compact and good to handle. I did replace the 'ribber' grips with a Hogue Monogrip, just because I don't like the looks of the ribber. Other than that, it's a very nice looking handgun, too. Mine is the blued version

(And before the Taurus bashing begins, I bought it because one of my two main hunting revolvers is the Taurus M44, which has been with me for many seasons of miserable weather, and has accounted for most of my handgun-killed deer. I mainly bought the Tracker to accompany on archery bear hunts in Maine, a job which my 629-4 used to do -- before I sold it. I know many here aren't fans, but I'm a big fan of Taurus and have owned nothing but reliable guns, including the M44, a snubbie 651B in .357, and the new Tracker.)
 
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Ironically "bird_dog" beat me to it by a few minutes :D

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=227&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=

I looked long and hard for almost a year before getting my hands on one of the fairly rare, discontinued Taurus Titanium Trackers in 41Mag (357s are much more common). The Trackers are not meant to be high volume, heavy load shooters. The cylinders are therefore too short for the heavy bullets. But my Titanium has handled several years of real magnum loads (not max loads) with no issues. I do carry max loads with 250gr bullets in grizzly country, which was why I bought the gun.

It is meant as a light, compact, powerful trail gun that you will always have on you, and in that role it performs very well. If you want a target gun buy something else; I shoot my heavy steel revolvers respectably but the couple lightweight ones I have are less accurate. Not the gun's fault, it is simply harder to shoot lightweight magnums with precision. I would not hesitate to shoot at deer within bow range though.

If you want a 44Mag that is easy to carry and will easily handly 240gr deer hunting loads, this is an option. But don't forget a good pair of electronic muffs; with the porting I guarantee you will regret it if you pull the trigger without them.
 
I believe the Freedom Arms 83 in .44 magnum is a fivegun. I'd like to have one. It is heavy and handles recoil better than any other .44 mag and who needs .454 power anyways?
 
If you are required by law to only have 5 rounds in the gun then just load 5 rounds in any sixgun. The only reason the custom smiths build 5 shot .44 magnums is so people can shoot really ridiculous handloads with them.
 
There is 44mags you carry and 44mags you shoot. There is a huge trade off in recoil and accuracy. I briefly had a S&W 329. It is the lightest 44mag and by far recoiled harder than any of my 454 Casulls. In my handgun hunting experience, a S&W 629 6" is as good as it gets as far as carrying it all day and not giving up any accuracy. I hunted for years with the 454Casull. 454Casulls are too heavy of a platform to carry all day and over kill for deer. A 6"-6.5" 44mag is perfect.

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I wouldnt sell this particular gun for twice what I paid for it.:D
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Noreaster, which state are you in? In NH it only has to be limited to 5 if it's a detachable magazine. A 6-shot revolver is good-to-go (as-is a .30-30 with 6 in the tube).

Anyway, to the OP, as was said, it's a size issue. The L-frame and GP-100 were designed around the .357 and don't have a lot of room for "caliber improvement." So the full N-frames and big Redhawks and Super Blackhawks we get.
 
They are not big enough.
An L frame S&W - the 696 - is barely big enough for .44 Special and not real heavy loads at that.
Dave Clement will convert a GP 100 to .44 Special and says it is ok for a 250 at 1200, Keith loads. $1250 on your gun.

There have been some L frame conversions to .41 Special (not magnum) that will do over 1000 fps with a 210 gr bullet.
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So size is the limiting factor? Hmm...

Maybe one day Ruger will make a .44 Special Ruger GP100.
 
The GP frame is not big enough. Even if they built it it wouldn't be any stronger than the L frame 696. Lay a GP next to a 696 and see how close they are dimensionally. The reason large frame .44 revolvers use a large frame is to end up with enough frame to wrap around that larger barrel shank and to allow a larger (stronger) cylinder to fit into the frame window. The barrel's forcing cone is the weak point on the 696. If you want to shoot real .44 Mag loads you need a large frame. The whole "let's make it as small and light as we can" concept has practical limits no matter how popular they are. We have begun to exceed these limits at this point in time. The first time I heard about an alloy .44 Mag snub I had to laugh. I can still remember when the first S&W N frame .44 mags hit the market. After about six months you could find them used in gunshops all over the country having been fired maybe 12 to 18 rounds (they would throw in the original box of ammo the previous owner couldn't finish off). Light guns are for carrying a lot and shooting a little. Big heavy steel guns are for shooting. You can't have it both ways.
 
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A 5-shot 44 cylinder is going to be smaller than a 6. I wish I could put a 44 Tracker next to my 41 to see if they used the same frame and cylinder size. Frankly I thought they chambered in 41 because it was as big as they could go in a platform designed as a 7-shot 357. I'm not sure where they would remove more material to fit a 44 in it without increasing the size a bit.

IMO this is where the 41 missed its calling -- to me it serves more of a purpose as a bigger option to a 357 than as a smaller, heavier option in a 44-sized platform.

Regarding size, there really are advantages to the lighter, smaller 5-shot magnums and their heavier steel cousins. I own two lightweights (the 41 TI Tracker and a SW329, which is NOT the monster it is made out to be) and they are phenomenal trail guns and backup guns for shooting in bow range. I got tired of people telling me I needed to carry a brick that would pull my pants down into the backcountry as a last ditch backup weapon. But they are not target guns, high volume shooting guns or 100yd hunting guns, or appropriate for mounting optics; I have a 5" 629 on my wish list for those purposes.
 
After finding a crack extending from the lockup cut on my 6 shot Dragoon I wondered why the lockup was cut into the thinnest part of the cylinder. All other things equal, I always thought of 5 shots as stronger because the lock up was between the bottom two chambers. Isn't that why Magnum Research makes their BFR's in 5 shots?
 
5 shot .44magnum revolvers for hunting/outdoor use....

As posted, I'd think you could find a single action 5 cylinder .44magnum Freedom Arms or maybe a BFR(Kahr Arms). I don't see the major difference between a 5 & 6 shot .44magnum. Many gunners & hunters like the robust Ruger Super RedHawk .44 & .454 line.
I'm not a handgun hunter but I'd look at a BFR, Freedom Arms .454 or Ruger Super RedHawk for most game.
In PA, the state game commission mandates only 3 rounds in the chamber(for hunting).

ClydeFrog
 
Tom, that is exactly why the custom builders use a 5 shot cyl. - to place the bolt cuts between the chambers. When a cyl. lets go it almost always starts at the bolt cut over the chamber. A 5 shot cyl. gives you more steel all the way around the chamber. But you still have to have enough frame material to wrap around a heavy .44 barrel or thin the barrel down and lose forcing cone area. The Freedom Arms revolvers are some of the best quality revolvers money can buy. The fitting of every part on them is as close to perfect as humanly possible, like a tank made with Swiss craftsmanship. Keep it clean and oiled and it will last for generations of owners. I wish S&W or Ruger would develop a 5 round .41 mag. L frame sized gun. The .41 mag cartridge is very close to .44 mag. ballistics AND leaves more steel around the chambers and the barrel throat. And 5 .41 chambers will fit into most medium size revolver frame easily. Unfortunately the cartridge never caught on like the .44 mag. did and the ammo companies don't seem to want to support the market for it. A 215 gr. bullet @ 1000 fps. is a perfect round for a CCW revolver. IMO.
 
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Clyde, PA State Game Regs limit long guns to three, pistols to 6 at Game Commission Shooting Ranges. Only three shot hunting restriction I read is for shotguns to be plugged to 3 shots for small game and waterfowl.
 
B/c if you want a light dedicated hunting gun you get a Contender...
How many of you have SUCCESSFULLY used a second shot hunting with a pistol that was not finishing a downed deer a mortally disabled deer?
 
I absolutely agree. The Thompson Contender was a GREAT idea for hunters and barrels were available for a huge number of calibers.
 
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