Why McCain would be worse than Bush

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Why McCain would be worse than Bush

Posted: January 25, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Patrick J. Buchanan

In 2004, the voters of Arizona, by 56 percent to 44 percent, enacted Proposition 200, requiring proof of citizenship before an individual may vote or receive state benefits. Forty-six percent of Hispanics voted for Prop. 200, giving the lie to those who say Hispanics support the illegal invasion of their country.

Over 190,000 Arizonans petitioned to put Prop. 200 on the ballot. As it simply required proof of citizenship before receiving the benefits and privileges of citizenship, who could oppose it? Answer: the entire GOP congressional delegation, led by Sen. John McCain.

This is the same John McCain who battled the border fence and colluded with Teddy Kennedy on the amnesty bill rejected by Congress last year after a national uproar.

Bottom line: If the presidential race is between Hillary and Amnesty John, the border security battle is over and lost. As Laura Ingraham asks, "If Congress passes McCain-Kennedy in 2009, would President McCain sign it?"

For conservatives, the stakes could not be higher.

For on the great controversies, McCain has sided as often with the Democrats and the Big Media that pay him court as with conservatives.

Where President Bush has been bravest, on taxes and judges, McCain has been his nemesis. Not only did McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts twice, he colluded to sell out the most conservative of the Bush nominees to the courts.


In 1993, McCain voted to confirm ACLU liberal and pro-abortion Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But when Bush set out to restore constitutionalism, McCain colluded with Democrats who wanted to retain power to kill Bush's most conservative nominees.

McCain helped form the Gang of 14, including seven Democrats, who agreed to block a GOP Senate from using the "nuclear option" – allowing a simple GOP majority to break a Democrat filibuster of judicial nominees – unless the seven Democrats approved. McCain thus conspired with liberals to put at risk the most courageous conservatives nominees of President Bush.

With his record of voting for liberal justices Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, and of colluding with Democrats in their campaign to kill the most conservative Bush nominees, what guarantee is there a President McCain will nominate and fight for the fifth jurist who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade?

In the battle over campaign finance reform, McCain colluded again. The McCain-Feingold law denies to gun folks and right-to-lifers their basic First Amendment right to name friends and foes in ads run before elections.

As for the policies that have transparently failed Bush and the nation, McCain remains an obdurate advocate.

After America has run five straight record trade deficits that have denuded the nation of thousands of factories and 3 million manufacturing jobs, McCain is still babbling on about Smoot-Hawley.

"When you study history, every time we've adopted protectionism, we've paid a very heavy price," McCain told a Detroit paper after informing Michiganders their auto jobs are never coming back.

But what history is John McCain talking about?

Was the Tariff of 1816, which saved infant U.S. industries from the malicious dumping by British merchants after the War of 1812, a failure? Were Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Calhoun and Henry Clay fools to support President Madison's tariff?

From Abraham Lincoln through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party – the Party of Protection – put 12 presidents in the White House to two for the Democrats, and the United States became the mightiest industrial power in history, producing 42 percent of the world's manufactured goods.

This is failure – while Bush free trade is a success? Tell it to Ohio.

Even Hillary Clinton, whose husband enacted NAFTA with McCain's support, has begun to question the NAFTA paradigm. Not McCain.

Where Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon came to office determined to extricate the nation with honor from a war whose costs had begun to outweigh any benefit, McCain is talking about spending 50 or 100 years in Iraq.

Where Bush, by moving NATO onto Russia's doorstep, planting bases in Central Asia and intervening in the affairs of Russia's neighbors, has undone the work of Reagan in making Russia a friend, he sounds like George McGovern alongside the braying McCain, who can't wait to get into Vladimir Putin's face.

Where Bush finally cleansed his administration of neocons, if not of their legacy, a McCain candidacy is the last, best hope of a neocon restoration and new military adventures in the Middle East.

If Rudy Giuliani founders in Florida, neocons will be chanting, "Mac is back!"

The three issues that ruined the Bush presidency are this misbegotten war in Iraq, the failure to secure America's borders from invasion and a mindless trade policy that has destroyed the dollar and left foreigners with $5 trillion to buy up America at fire-sale prices.

McCain remains an unthinking advocate of all three.

But where Bush was at his best, on taxes and judges, McCain was collaborating with Hillary. The question conservatives may face if McCain is nominated is not whom should I vote for, but should I vote.
 
Oh, no!!! Not an article by Pat Buchanan. This guy and his sister Bay are the far out wackos of our time.

"Where Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon came to office determined to extricate the nation with honor from a war"

Yep, they both surrendered to the enemy.
 
Pat Buchanan is a patriotic American and quite correct on characterizing the illegal immigration from the southern border country as an invasion. That must stop and then reversed.

However, that said, Pat Buchanan's knowledge of economics leaves quite a lot to be desired. Protectionist tariffs saved no industries, they forced inferior products on people who didn't want them. The beneficiaries have always been those running the protected industry, everyone else pays.

McCain is one of the most un-knowledgeable candidates running when economics are the subject. Here's a humorous video of McCain at the most recent debate attempting to wing his way through a question the answer to which he should have known.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk
 
Yep, they both surrendered to the enemy.

Are you a member of the service or have you been to war.? Those anxious to fight unnecessary wars should enlist within 2 weeks.

We are acting as a police force for another county costing billions of taxpayer dollars plus young men lives and what is the return, perhaps keeping them(the enemy) from our shore if that is so then bring our military home and protect our shore and borders. Please don't fall for propaganda coming from Washington.
 
However, that said, Pat Buchanan's knowledge of economics leaves quite a lot to be desired. Protectionist tariffs saved no industries, they forced inferior products on people who didn't want them. The beneficiaries have always been those running the protected industry, everyone else pays.

What I read from Buchanan on economics is he calls for fair trade unlike what we now have where the American middle class suffers to make billions for wealthy corporations. You need only look at our trade deficits to see the American worker is on the losing side.

I do agree that McCain would be disaster as president.
 
thallub said:
"Where Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon came to office determined to extricate the nation with honor from a war"

Yep, they both surrendered to the enemy.
It's not surrender unless your enemy forces you to pull out.

If we make the free choice to pull out of Iraq, then that is not surrender; it's merely making a decision that it's not worthwhile to keep losing American lives and limbs and hundreds of billions of dollars for no reason. Iraq has nothing to do with US national security; thus, our military shouldn't be there. The US military should be used for one purpose only: defending the US and its vital interests from aggression. It should not be used to attack other nations except as a last resort. Iraq was far from a last resort; it was invaded and occupied entirely on the basis of a long series of lies and propaganda.

wingman is right: Bush, McCain, and others like them mold their rhetoric to appeal to Americans' patriotic pride in order to push their warmongering agenda. Don't fall for it. It's a scam.
 
"Are you a member of the service or have you been to war.? Those anxious to fight unnecessary wars should enlist within 2 weeks."

Yes to both questions. I hurt every damn day do injuries suffered in another silly a$$ed war brought on by a bunch of putrid political hacks, thank you, Wingy. What war were you in? Were you wounded?

Where did I say that I was anxious to fight in unnecessary wars? I was simply trying to point out that this idiot Buchanan idolizes two other idiots.

The war in Iraq is a total blunder brought about by another egotistical Texan like LBJ.

BTW: McCain is another nutcase just like Bush and LBJ.



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M/Sgt. Retired
 
Ditto, but you know I started coming to firearms forums to get into my new hobby and escape politics but it seems that I'm getting sucked into these passionate debates as always. :(
 
McCain in review IMHO

McCain typifies an American hero who definitely did his share and more in Vietnam. Sadly he does not seem to realize that his commitments to win in Iraq make him appears that he is focused on the winning to offset the lose in Vietnam more than anything else. I watched/listened to him at the debate a couple of nights ago. After listening to him talk about Iraq and the honor of our American troop being at stake I could not help knowing he want to leave this earth after bringing victory back to Americans after the defeat in Vietnam.

I don't doubt his sincerity, his love for the country or any other virtue of Americanism that a president should posses. I'm just concerned that he will go to any length to win in Iraq or certainly not loose in Iraq through his term as president.

We don't need to relive a war story in live time just to please and old war horse that wants to go out in a blaze of glory.
 
"Bush II may have some similarities to LBJ, but he sure isn't a Texan."

Pat, how did he get elected governor of the Great State of Texas? :)
 
New York Times just endorsed McCain. :barf:

This indicates to me that McCain must be even more liberal than the other choices, since IMO the NYT is an extreme liberal leaning paper.

So, are we better off with Mitt?

My favorite choice among the remaining contenders is Huckabee, but he won't win because of his archaic beliefs (the earth being 5,000 years old for example).

Paul is an unstable nut in a lot of the general population's eyes, and won't win.

That leaves McCain, Mitt, and Rudi the Rino as the only true contenders. Rudi the Rino may be out if he does poorly in Floridia.

So, it appears were going to get stuck with another Rino one way or the other. Or worse, a full blown elitist socialist if Hillary or Obama win it all.
 
Nice logic Surefire... "Ron Paul won't win so I won't vote for him" therefore Ron Paul won't win because you won't vote for him. Let's just choose who'd be best and vote, regardless of what the media would like you to think. Do you think Ron's a nut? I don't. I'd have to say he may be the only one who isn't. It's odd to see integrity and honestly in the context of these other politicians. That makes him stand out, but not as a nut, just as a real intelligent candidate. The only pro war candidate, the only to understand that economy and war are not separate issues! Our economy suffers because of the war!
 
Come on guys, don't bash Texas to hard. Overall we're a pretty good state but would be better if we could build a fence along the Red River to keep out all the northerners. :)

We tend to balance out the Californians on the left coast & New Yorkers on the right coast.
 
"How about explaining how Eisenhower surrendered WWII?"

Never said that he did. The unholy deal that President Ike made with the communists in Korea showed the world that the US did not have the resolve to fight and win. This lead to the Viet Nam debacle: Ho and Giap knew that the US would soon tire of the war and that they would be able to walk into South Viet Nam.

In about 1976 I read a highly classified intelligence assessment on Viet Nam that was made in 1964. At the time that the assessment was written, it was estimated that if the US pulled the military advisors out of South Viet Nam that the country would fall in about 20 years.

Ergo, by escalating the war, the US hastened the fall of Viet Nam by ten years. This happened because the north was forced to pull out the stops and fight a full scale war to capture the south.
 
Never said that he did. The unholy deal that President Ike made with the communists in Korea showed the world that the US did not have the resolve to fight and win.
You make some of the most amazing statements I've seen on the net. After wars in Europe and Asia the world didn't think the US had the resolve to fight and win?
 
Peoples understanding of history is whatever the media and a bunch of college professors spoon feed you.
Vietnam was all about stopping the spread of communism without starting World War III. It was always a balancing act. Vietnam was important. We may have lost the battle, but we won the war.
 
"Peoples understanding of history is whatever the media and a bunch of college professors spoon feed you."

Some of us have first hand experience on the ground: The median and the college professors cannot change that, ever.

"Viet Nam was all about stopping the spread of communism without starting World War III."

Ah, yes: It was about the dominoes. If the Viet Nam domino fell, the Thailand, Phillipines, Japanese, and Korean dominos would fall. The Viet Nam domino did fall and none of the others did.
 
Are you a member of the service or have you been to war.?

Yes- and I agree with you. I served 10 years (5 w/ the 82d Airborne and 4 w/ the 1st Cav and then some schools en route). At the begining of the Iraq war, I supported it if for nothing else revenge. I saw in March of 1991 Saddam's armies move into Nasyria and engage in an orgy of slaughter against people who were utterly defenseless. They did it because while we were outside of the city, we were encouraging active rebellion and the Shia took up the cause. We then left them and let them suffer. Apparently from the numbers killed, we didn't see the real slaughter, but you could see fighting inside the city from a couple miles out. Then the firing squads...

So I thought it was a debt of honor that had to be paid regardless of WMD. Now I oppose it. Strongly. Due to mismanagement my Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz Inc. the war has costed us more than it should have in blood, treasure and cohesion as a country and in the world. The reasons we were told we weren't going to finish Saddam off in the first PGW have come to fruition in the second. We didn't want to leave a power vacuum that Iran would rush to fill. Now we have and now they have.

General Erik Shinsheki, whom I served under in 1995-96 had become the Chief of Staff of the Army. Although the black beret thing still makes me angry, he advocated for sending double the number of troops initially rather than what Tommy Franks wanted. He understood that once you defeat their military, you must pacify the country and you can't do that with 100,000 troops. Rumsfeld handled that advice by naming his successor a year prior to his departure effectively making him powerless.

So Bush did not listen to the commanders, he listened to his Secdef and those commanders for whom he liked the advice given. Bad mistake. There's no way of knowing how many lives Shinsheki's advice may have saved, but I presume that we would mostly be out of there by now had we done that. Flash forward three years and 1,500 dead soldiers and about five times that number of permanently injured kids who will spend the rest of their days using a colostomy bag, waddling around on stumps with mangled faces- and we now say we need a "surge". Surprise! The surge worked, but General Petraeus was only going back to what General Shinsheki advocated a long time ago.

So no. I don't support this war anymore. Congressmen and women are now using it as a political football and even further endangering the lives of our men serving. There is nothing right about this and Pat Buchannan is correct.

To address a comment from further up- there are many ways you can win a war and economics is one of them. If you can force your enemy to leave because he cannot afford to stay, you have still won the war. To quote some 19th century idiot on war: "War is politics by other means"- Clauswitz

We may have lost the battle, but we won the war.
I don't know how many victories like Vietnam we can sustain as a nation morally or financially.
 
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