Why is this AR combo non-existant

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TTro33

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I've been browsing for awhile trying to decide how exactly to get a piston AR, to buy a rifle, an upper and lower separate or just build. Problem is I don't want to pay for certain parts twice to get what I want but yet it seems cheaper to just buy a whole rifle. What I want in one seems to be non existant it must have:
-16" preferrably a stainless barrel, at least a non- M4 contour
-I really like the Adams Arms Piston but may consider other that has perfected the carrier tilt problems. Also would be nice to get a chrome carrier and bolt on a piston rifle
-must have the ACE Socom stock which is hardly offered anywhere, I don't want to pay for some other stock only to replace it

whats the best value way to get these parts together. Can you recommend a good place to get all the other parts from. I'm thinking Bravo Co., or maybe del-ton.
 
This ar is no longer non-existant

My cat decided to do a build rather like the one I was interested in. This was his first build but he has had plenty of time paging through magazines picking his fav. parts.
He chose a:
BCM upper with 16" 410 SS barrel
Tactical innovations lower with the awesome ss bushings and no rotate pins
Adams Arms piston kit
MI SS forearm (which had to have the new barrel nut modified to work with the piston)
UTG folding vert. grip
ACE long socom stock
Magpul Moe grip and trigger guard
Del-Ton parts kit, buffer, bolt( del ton trigger is suprisingly great, light, no pre or after travel and I can polish modify it myself to be as good as expensive triggers)
POF roller cam pin
soon to have muzzle brake, BUIS and some kind of small tact scope with illuminated retical recommendation for good value/cheap scope please
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Supposedly Adams Arms has mixed their problems with carrier tilt by putting rails on the bottom of their bolts. That supposedly lets it "ride" back and forth in the reciever without tilting. I like that stock TTro33, not sure why so many people are sprung over collapsible stocks. Maybe they all shoot from inside their cars.
 
they may have done that to fix carrier tilt but what they mainly said prevents it is the way the piston only comes into the receiver a half inch so its not pushing on the carrier the whole way back, just a brief whack and the carrier rides the rest the way back from its inertia. The ACE does extent and collapse I bought the long model so that in its collapsed position it long enough for me to use and looks better collapsed and some have reported problems with it collapsing during firing so with the long version I won't have this problem.
 
What is wanted is something precisely not on the market. The makers - even small assemblers - don't accumulate the hundreds of parts necessary to make a profit and dedicate the production run to sitting on a shelf for 18 months to 2 years waiting to move the final one out.

Case in point, very few make dissipators. One maker worked the prerelease issue for two years before they felt comfortable with the run. And sold out in hours.

With this combination - an Adams Arms kit, and Ace Stock, there's not enough demand to offer it. They are both just add on parts to a standard AR. The market doesn't consider it a separate category or class of rifle, just tricked out a certain way.

Ace stock? In the realm of sales, a minor player. More people buy Magpul, but then again, more people buy reassurance, not tech. Adams Arms? It's basically a $250 surcharge to add another piston onto the barrel and deactivate the one in the bolt carrier. Most AR shooters have no issue with DI, and don't see any measurable improvement from piston owners to convince them to spend the money and switch. We'd rather spend the money on ammo.

That means the market just doesn't support enough demand to build that particular combination in any large quantity, ready to ship on the shelf.

It's not wrong then to suggest building your own lower to suit, buying a BCM level quality upper, and converting it. It's what I'm doing building a dissipator - no one offers a 16" midlength in 6.8 with iron sights at rifle length and matching furniture in the color I want. Too advanced a concept in a market of wannabe M4gery buyers.

I did buy a barrel, bolt, and BCG that was nitrided, and feel that is money better spent than adding a redesigned piston system. I never had jamming issues with the M16 anyway, it was always operator error. Even my beat down issue magazines always worked.

Point being, I could upgrade with a durable finish, using milspec or better parts, and spend less to get something even better - all working in the design envelope of the original concept. Very much a value for the dollar approach. Disposable income isn't all that ready at hand with three kids still at home.

Building what you want is the precise method needed when the market shows that assemblers aren't comfortable with the risk. It's either that or wait much longer than you might like searching for what you want. Ask Tracfone users how long they have waited for a qwerty phone - no option but to sit that one out.

With the AR, you don't have to. A CC and a mailing address, you can have almost every part in hand within ten days. It's really not rocket science if you understand what parts work with each other, and what's optimum. Use full power ammo, it will shoot.
 
I guess the reason I wondered why this combo wasn't available pre assembled is that I think its possibly the coolest looking AR ever, because I built what I thought would be the coolest AR ever. One of those I like that I like it because I like it situations. I wanted to submit it for review to see if I just have a unique taste or if nobody or not many have stumbled on a similiar combo of parts.
Hell after I finished it I started thinking: man I should put together more of these for a profit they would sell like hot cakes, but alas it would probably be too much work for a little profit, thats if anyone else even liked it. Just curious I don't need approval from everyone, just know that I liked looking at peopls guns even long before I owned an AR so figured I would return the favor.
 
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