Why guns are like underware

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Oleg Volk

Staff Alumnus
(and *of course* I miss-spelled the title! how's that for establishing credibility?)

This was prompted by "bring guns to others' homes" thread...

Most people wear underwear to avoid chafing. It is a practical matter even more than a social one...as no one can see your underware. And I, personally, would find a host requesting that people do not wear underwear when in his home to be rather weird.

Now, getting so drunk that you can't keep your clothes or guns on you and under control , esp. in someone else's home, is a no-no in my book. But that is a different issue: the original discussion was about items that no one normally sees. The request that people modify their behavior to suit your fancy is, IMO, uncalled for. Should such a request be made, I'd reconsider coming to the party. No wonder L. neil Smith (?) used a phrase "socially naked" to mean "unarmed".

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Oleg "cornered rat" Volk (JPFO,NRA)

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[This message has been edited by Oleg Volk (edited February 07, 2000).]
 
I see your point but, you must remember that this is someone elses home. If they don't want people carrying guns in their home I will either honor their request or simply not go there. Just as some people don't want visitors to smoke or drink in their home they can also put limits on what you can bring in. I may not agree with them but its not my place to argue the point.
My house, my rules. If you don't like it, go away.

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Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness. H.G. Wells The Time Machine
 
I agree entirely that in your home you set the rules. I am only suggesting that some rules would be viewed as reasonable (i.e. not smoking inside a home where someone has asthma) and others less so (not wearing underwear even though it coldn't possibly impactthe hosts). I am proposing that prohibition on concealed carry belongs in the latter, unreasonable category and should be treated as such. For me that would mean declining the invitation and, if I thought the person reasonable enough in other matters, explaining why.
 
I think that it's interesting the you only partly have control over what you do with and on your property.

You generally have the right to further restrict a visitors behavior, beyond the restrictions imposed by the gov't, on your property.
But, your power to allow things on your property that the gov't has outlawed in public places is much less overall & is not clearly defined.

Examples:
You can smoke cigarettes in public in 49 states.
But I can disallow smoking on my property.

It is prohibited by law to walk down Main St. in the nude.
But you can do so in your home.

On Main St. you cannot engage in oral sex. In many states you don't have the legal right to do so at home either.

Murder is illegal on Main St., and likewise is illegal at home.

(Not saying we ought to legalize murder, just bringing up a point.)

I guess in general I think that an adult should be able to do whatever he/she wants to do at home as long as it isn't infringing on the rights of other adults or as long as minors are not involved.
This goes for carrying guns, whatever sexual things you're in to, smoking dope if that's what turns your crank, read whatever type of material you want, worship whatever you want, dress up in womens clothes and listen to Kenny G for all I care.

Heck, even the ownership of your property isn't secure, even if all your taxes are up to date.
The gov't can rule that some private farm/woodland must be cleared to allow power lines to be put in, they can change the zoning at anytime, they can decide to run a highway through your land and all is legal and "good" because of imminent(sp?) domain.
It's too bad that there is nearly nothing anymore that is under the sole and absolute control of the individual.
Yes, we live in a community and as such we must live with some compromises and "inconveniences", but some things just go to far.
Legislating morality, yeah, that's about as easy as bending ice.
Grrrr, -Kframe
 
"Legislating morality, yeah, that's about as easy as bending ice."
Hahahaha, I love it. Thank you for posting it Kframe.
Speaking of the other thread... I dont mind people carrying in my home, but I do have a problem with some people carrying in my home.
You know, those people who cant exactly tie their shoe's yet, or those types I wouldnt trust to cut carrots let alone carry a gun. (ie the drunk dropping his so called 'concealed' handgun)
It is my home and my right, and my husbands right to say what goes on in it. (laws or no laws)
As far as carrying in other peoples homes, I dont, but then again I dont carry anywhere yet (grumbles) Having no carry permit, and no gun seems to hinder that ability.
When I get my gun however I will take it where ever I see fit to.

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Freedom by its self is just a word. To have freedom we must protect our rights to be free.
 
From my perspective, the subject would seldom,if ever, even come up. I'm not going to take a survey when I visit someone's home - unless they bring it up, I will arrive there with my firearm.

If they do bring it up, and request I leave it outside, then I make my choice to attend or not. Since even the question would be normally obnoxious, it just isn't an issue for me.
 
Guns are like underwear because we are taught to clean them after every use, but sometimes we find rules can be bent? Also they both need breaking in. And both should generally be concealed, but sometimes its fun to show them off. And they often reside in the same drawer. And in a middle of the night emergency I would grab both.

Both look worse after being abused. :D

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Teach a non-shooter to shoot. Educate a voter.
 
1. There's not much reason for the issue to even come up. The chance of someone saying "no guns" when none are apparent or expected is almost nil.

2. Concealed. 'nuff said. (See other discussions on answering the "are you carrying" question.)

3. Regardless of their "feelings", they're safer when I've got one.

4. Their "feelings" will not disarm me for the rest of the 60-some mile trip (average distance to friend's homes).

5. Don't ask, don't tell.

6. Unlike cigarettes, it's not likely to be drawn, ignited, and annoy others or give someone an asthma attack.

7. Like underwear, it provides constant comfort and insurance without being apparent to others, and is nobody's business unless they're getting into my pants (different significance depending on whether authorized).

8. "I know you have it; leave it outside" will be met with either "why, you planning to hurt me?" or "you'd rather it be in a less safe place, outside of my control and supervision?"


[This message has been edited by ctdonath (edited February 07, 2000).]
 
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