Why don't liberals get it?

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How come liberals do not understand the need for LAW ABIDING citizens to carry guns for our own self defense? How many disasters where the Police did not protect anyone do they have to witness before figuring out that our self defense is our own responsibility? The Police are not going to protect you and I. Remember the L.A. Riots, Cincinnati Riot, Columbine Shooting, Luby Cafeteria Shooting, New Orleans, Long Island Railroad Massacre, and of course the ongoing stockpiling of weapons and ammo by terrorists for their impending attacks on American Malls and schools, etc.... :confused:
 
Liberals do get it. They don't want people carrying guns because if people all did, they wouldn't be able to get out the front door with their socialistic and statist policys. They want you disarmed (and my use of the term "liberal" is not confined to any particular political party). They want a society that is disarmed that they can control and is dependant on them and won't have any means to resist them. That is what is in the back of their minds. They don't want you to be in control of your life, they want themselves to be in control of your life. That's why every tyrant throughout history has tried to pass sword/knife/gun control or confiscation acts over their would be subjects
 
How come liberals do not understand the need for LAW ABIDING citizens to carry guns for our own self defense?
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Because the worst of them come from urban areas where there are too many who are not "law abiding citizens". Therefore, at a minimum, gun control with any merit should be local. The problem is that there is always an interstate commerce component luring the feds into the arena.

Note that "liberal" is not a good term. "Leftist" makes more sense as a pejorative.
 
Of course I've noticed most conservatives

are in full support of people carrying guns and defending themselves...... as long as they are the 'right' kind of people.

the blade swings both ways if you watch the whole show....
 
I think reason #1 is that there's a belief among many that the gun industry, and lobby, is an evil in society, the same as big oil, fast food and other industries they view as "making profit at the expense of the common man".


Because the worst of them come from urban areas where there are too many who are not "law abiding citizens".
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Being liberal minded, and urban, I think this is also on target. Much more so than the "they want to control you" argument (although there's truth in that one too). It's a simple belief that "if there were no guns, there would be less violence", without taking into consideration the fact that there will never be "no guns"
 
I am a liberal and I get it just fine. Also, most of my liberal friends seem to grasp the concept quite well too. I live in the great northwest which is the land of the liberal and gun ownership and CCW are well accepted. In fact 3 of my most liberal friends are getting gift certificates to my gun dealer for x-mas from me to help them buy their frst carry firearm.

I have always found it is people that bash liberals that don't "get it". They have no idea what liberals stand for or do beyond what Rush tells them to think. How many "liberal" friends do you actually have upon which you are basing this opinion?

If you look at history as a whole, it is not the liberals that have disarmed populations but conservatives. Through history "conservative" powers (powers governed by what they called a superior moralistic stance or religious philosophy...sound familiar?) have had a bad habit of evolving into facist regimes. When a facist power wants to remain in power the best way to begin is to disarm the populace.

In my opinion, gun owners that cannot grasp the fact that the "conservatives" have done nothing for them either (didn't Reagan sign some anti-gun bills...hmmmm) and that they would actually have a better chance of reasoning with the left of center if they didn't insist of firmly rooting themselves on the right and inter-twining gun ownership with other topics like gay marriage, abortion, etc (like the modern neo-cons have insisted on doing) will be the true cause of death to gun ownership in this country...not liberals.
 
Playboy, yes, Ronnie Raygun was Gov. when California started its gun control path toward private firearm ownership prohibition and confiscation in the late '60s (then it was to control the Black Panthers). As well, Raygun signed the machine gun freeze (the infamous Hughes Amendment).
 
As you said, in your opinion. I agree with the idea that Leftist is a better description. While the "Conservative" side has passed some gun control legislation, you might want to consider the make-up of the Congress at the time. The Democrats, however, have brought us the 1934 NFA, the 1968 GCA, the 1986 McClure Volkmer Act ( by tacking so many provisions on it that couldn't be affordable in veto), and the 1994 AWB. That's a pretty substantial part of the Gun Control History.

I lived in Maryland for 57 years, and it was always the Democrats who introduced Gun Control Legislation. The last being Paris Glendening and his idiocy that gave us mandatory internal gun locks, and the fired shell casing library. There is a seven-day waiting period on pistols and " regulated weapons". You cannot buy a handgun not on the Roster, a real Cluster-FUBAR. You have to have the Md. State Police do your NICS check as well as their own check, for an additional $10.00. CCW is unheard of unless you're politically connected. Did any of this do anything about crime? Sure, it's UP more than the rest of the local states.

I now reside in Georgia.

I'm always amused to hear how the conservatives are actually at fault for anything bad that happens in America. I'm sure that they gave us welfare, generations of welfare. They also gave us all of the New Deal give-aways that have become entitlements to so many. They were responsible for those onerous Gun Control Bills, especially the ones in traditionally Democratic strongholds. God save us from the "honesty" so evident in the Liberals and their MSM supporters when it comes to Gun Control truth in advertising.

I was more concerned that Clinton was going to try to overturn the eight years in office limitations than I was ever with a Republican. Hmmm, it appears that my opinion is exactly the opposite of his, eh? Oh well, both are worth exactly what you paid for them.:)
 
They also gave us all of the New Deal give-aways that have become entitlements to so many.
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I always laugh when citizens slam the "new deal"...if it wasn't for these policies most Americans would be working 60 hours a week for slave wages and living in coporate owned housing on corporate owned land while their children joined the work force at age 12. How brainwashed by the far right can some people be anyway?
 
I really don't care how enlightened some segment of the so called "progressive" movement believes they are...that they somehow don't deserve to be lumped in with leftist leadership. The fish still stinks from the head. Just as with Republicans, stuff going on with the party that is off course still needs to be addressed, and there will remain guilt by association. What I want to hear is not how some gun owners justify being Democrats but what they plan to do about getting rid of gun-grabbing leftist leadership in their party of choice. The recent election made decent progress in making it appear that Democrats are not anti-gun by definition, but a 12-13% number in Congress doesn't mean it's all better now.
 
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As said above - liberals DO get it. They just choose to ignore the reality. Those liberals in power, who write law on such matters, have access to the same facts as we do - anyone with 10 free minutes and internet access does. They KNOW the anti's doom and gloom predictions after a pro-gun law passes are ALWAYS false. They KNOW that ever more gun laws and control do not impact the criminals; they KNOW how often guns are used by law-abiding citizens to defend against crime; they KNOW all the negeative crap about cop-killer bullets, saturday night specials, military look-alikes, semi autos, and the like is just bull. Yet they choose to ignore the truths. Either they refuse to do the work to know the facts, or more likely they purposely choose to distort the facts to support their position to get their way...in typical liberal style. Either way it shows they are inadequate, irresponsible, and just plain phony.

Much of it started in a big way when the liberal democrats who clung to Clinton's side were so successful in appearing to promote "hunting/sportsman guns" (ONLY) with outlandsih propaganda, while in actuality they were ignoring the 2nd ammendment, making up statistics about kids and about safety, and condeming a whole class of guns because of astetics as just another step in getting ALL guns outlawed (except for those owned by the 'State'). The leopord hasn't changed it's spots as they still use these tactics - even if they agree to be less publicly obvious about the issue. (Think Shotgun Kerry, anti-bullet Kennedy, that the ass M. Moore, or any west-coast liberal who promotes serialized ammo as 'sensible gun control'))

It could be their selfish attitudes - "I don't like guns, I don't need guns, so no one else should". Could be their skewed view of reality or lack of self-responsibility "guns kill people" "only criminals should want guns" "its safer to rely on the bad guy's good will then oppose him with force". Or it could be their elitist mentality that equates anyone who does not think their way - who can actually keep and bear guns for viable reasons - with some dumb-ass redneck, held no higher in their opinion then the most dispicible rapists or murderers (who they would however climb over to protect or understand or cheer). Maybe it really is about control, that they fear the armed citizen as a threat to their power.

No matter why - it's regrettable we have to deal with such people who would gladly CHOOSE to leave so many defenseless - and powerless.
 
Why don't liberals "get it"? If this question isn't intended to be rhetorical, why don't you go over to DailyKos and ask 'em? I'm sure they've got some questions about other subjects that Conservatives "don't get".

It could be a learning experience for all involved. :cool:
 
Why don't we all "get it"

We are all being duped by both parties, into our downfall. Haven't we seen both parties for so long do nothing but undermine our principals and rights? What is it gonna take? The next 9-11 will come as the Administration keeps itself guarded for miles around, while they leave the citizens unguarded at he borders. Go figure. We voted just the way they wanted us to.
 
We are all being duped by both parties, into our downfall. Haven't we seen both parties for so long do nothing but undermine our principals and rights? What is it gonna take? The next 9-11 will come as the Administration keeps itself guarded for miles around, while they leave the citizens unguarded at he borders. Go figure. We voted just the way they wanted us to.
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That pretty well sums it up.

badbob
 
... we would be in better shape...

..if we could accurately say that it was just a single segment of our society (in this case the liberal wing) who were 'anti-gun'. Unfortunately, the demographic of the 'anti-gun' lobby (liberals, conservatives, vegetarians, meat eaters, white, black and green) crosses all traditional boundaries.

Everytime some kid ( who likely killed all the neighbors pets as a small child but everyone turned a 'blind eye') shoots someone in a school everyone (the media, the left, the right, the center) blames the availability of the gun (nevermind that the kid used an acetylene torch to open the gun safe). How many talk show commentators take up the call for "smarter, more involved parents"?

It's easier for all segments of society to blame the gun than it is ourselves, our society etc. Sure, let Johnny become desensitized by mindless video games, listen to music that encourages him to kill puppies. It it the video's and music or the parent's complete and total failure to do their job?

It's not just the liberals - it just seems that way.
 
What I want to hear is not how some gun owners justify being Democrats but what they plan to do about getting rid of gun-grabbing leftist leadership in their party of choice.
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That is the $64,000 question.
 
Trust me, there are liberals who do get it.

You need only read a few of my past posts to see that I'm pretty liberal in quite a few areas.

I prefer my rights whole. Not diced up into preferential packets to pick and choose from.

I like my judges activist. That's because they are an INDEPENDENT branch of government.

Yet I still like my .45 and the parcel of rights that keep it in my hand.
 
why don't all parties look at history and read a few facts

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950)
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."
-Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate.

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."
-Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850.
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state."
-Heinrich Himmler

"Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them."
-Franklin D. Roosevelt

First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me. – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! – Adolph Hitler [1935] The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. – William S. Burroughs
 
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I prefer my rights whole. Not diced up into preferential packets to pick and choose from.
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Good for you. Me too.

I like my judges activist. That's because they are an INDEPENDENT branch of government.
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Activist Judge apparently means different things to different people. Activist for what cause? What agenda? Activist.

I like my judges jurist. We have a legislature, such as it is, for legislation.
 
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