Why doesn't the NRA present Kerry with a firearm?

Jamie Young

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Kerry presented semi-auto shotgun

What a better way to make a point?


Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry was seen this weekend touting a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law!

Kerry co-sponsored S. 1431 last year (“The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003) which would have banned a "semiautomatic shotgun that has a pistol grip.”

Kerry was presented with the gun during a Labor Day stop in Racine, West Virginia.

"I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me," Kerry told a cheering crowd as he held up the device.

Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the semiautomatic shotgun's pistol grip.

Kerry's bill would ban millions of semi-automatics, including those with "pistol grips." [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii)]

Opponents of the bill successfully argued how nearly all guns have "pistol grips," inluding millions of Browning Auto-5 shotguns produced since 1903.
 
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This is not a "pistol grip" in the meaning of the law, but this is:

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Drudge is off-base on this one.
 
Currently he just want to won the election. He is willing to do anything to please anyone who could vote him, including some sportsmen. If he is elected, he will talk, and the poor guys could only listen and wait another 4 year to get him out of the White house, but the 4 year time is already enough for him to do some actual and maybe permanant damage to our rights of 2A.

Just keep wondering why some sportsmen (even in NRA) are not aware of the danger?!

His placing the hand on a firearm he tried so hard to ban only tells us he is a LIER and a CHEATER!

I cannot imagine an America led by a LIER and a CHEATER!
 
Isn't it illegal for him to receive a long gun in a state other than his state of residence?
 
MVPEL,

Actually, the interpretation of what is a "pistol grip" could be defined/clarified by executive order much like Dubya's daddy "defined" sporting differently than his predicessors. One could conceivably ban all non-straight stocked shotgun with an executive order if such a law were in place.
 
I believe the wording was something like, "...semiautomatic able to accept high capacity magazines or a pistol grip, or able to accept a fixed or detatchable magazine that holds 7 or more rounds..."

It also had a clause that said "...not withstanding any of the forgoing, the Attorney General of the United States shall at any time have the power to declare any firearm similar in design or function to any military arm, not suitable for sporting purposes, irregardless of wether or not that firearm is used in competition or for sporting Purposes"

That could mean that a muzzle loading flintlock could be declared not suitable for sporting purposes and become an illegal Assault weapon, at the attorney generals sole discretion of course.

Kerry voted for the forgoing new AWB last year as did all of his gun banning cronies.

Kerry is a gun banner, he may have a room full of machine guns at his house, and he and Dianne fienswein and Turdy K. may go skeet shootin, but he will ban firearms from civilian possession if he gets elected, any way he can.

He is a hypocrit and a liar, and a gun banning elitist.
 
mvpel, read the bill: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.1431:

Section 2 DEFINITIONS sub section 42:
PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.


That basically includes every single gun in existance.



"I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me," Kerry told a cheering crowd as he held up the device.
Hmm ... sounds like he just threatened the president there :cool:
 
"Able to accept" is a VERY dangerous phrase. My 1911 is "able to accept" a 30-round magazine, if I wanted to fabricate one. My shotgun is "able to accept" a stock with a pistol grip, either homemade or commercial. My SKS is "able to accept" an altered trigger group that would convert it to full-auto fire.

What does it take to change the stock on a shotgun, remove the buttpad and remove one long bolt?
 
Hmmm...Shouldn't that shotgun go through an ffl, and shouldn't Kerry be subjected to a NICS check? Receiving a firearm outside of his home state?

Oh the irony if some ATF guy hauled his butt in.......
 
Hmmm...Shouldn't that shotgun go through an ffl, and shouldn't Kerry be subjected to a NICS check? Receiving a firearm outside of his home state?

No, you can receive a gift of a long gun outside of your home state without going through an FFL and NICS check ... actually if you where vacationing in another state and you flipped through the classifieds in the newspaper you could buy a long gun from an individual and still be legal.


However that would not be the case if his law would have passed ... schmuck :mad:
 
Zundfolge, I am pretty sure that is not correct. You can buy a long gun from an ffl in another state, but not from a private individual. Can anyone else comment? :confused:
 
Okay...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922.html

(a)(3) prohibits a non-ffl holder from transporting any firearm from another state to his state of residence, right?
(a)(5) prohibits a non-ffl holder from selling or giving a firearm to someone who the transferor has reason to believe does not reside in the state, right?

(b)(3) allows FFLs to transfer long arms to residents of other states so long as they comply with the laws of both states.

So if Kerry was given the firearm in West Virginia and didn't buy it from an FFL, didn't he break the law?
 
Note the section in bold. No FFL transfer, apparently.

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2004090620

RACINE — Predictions that Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry would come out swinging after last week’s Republican National Convention proved accurate Monday as the Massachusetts senator slammed President Bush’s record on jobs, health care and foreign affairs at a United Mine Workers Labor Day rally.

“It does all come down to one letter: W. George W. Bush,” Kerry told the audience in Boone County. “What do you think the W stands for? That W stands for wrong. Wrong choices, wrong direction for America.”

The phrase, which sounded as though it might be a new campaign slogan, was met with cheers as Kerry repeated it several times.

Some people in the crowd held signs reading, “Coal country is Kerry country.” Campaign officials said about 5,000 people attended, though far fewer appeared present.

Kerry slipped in national polls in August amid criticism of his record and comments about the Vietnam War. September began with the GOP convention in New York where a Democrat, Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, joined Republicans in attacking Kerry.

Kerry told the Labor Day crowd that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney favored Western coal and Texas oil over Appalachian coal.

“At that convention in New York last week, after four years of catering to the big oil companies and the Saudis, George Bush suddenly said that he wanted America to be energy independent,” Kerry said. “But he’s the one who invited energy company executives to secret meetings in the White House and let them write our energy policies.”

Kerry and other speakers often made biblical references at Monday’s event. Many hard-line Bush supporters say they like the president partially or mainly because he is a man of faith.

“They [Republicans] are pretty good at raising the Bible, pointing the Bible at us,” UMW President Cecil Roberts said before Kerry spoke. “But you know what we do in the Democratic Party? We open it up and see what it says.”

Roberts also noted how Kerry is “a hunter, and he’s not going to take your guns ’cause he loves to hunt.” He then presented Kerry with a shotgun made by UMW members in New York. Kerry held the gun over his head to cheers from the crowd.

Kerry also questioned Bush’s decision to lead the United States into the Iraq war, which has resulted in nearly 1,000 American casualties since the fighting began March 19, 2003.

“Of all George Bush’s wrong choices, the most catastrophic one is the mess in Iraq,” Kerry said. “It’s not that I would have done one thing differently in Iraq, I would have done everything differently. It was wrong to rush to war without a plan to win the peace. It was wrong not to build a strong international coalition of our allies. And it was wrong to put our young men and women into harm’s way without the equipment and body armor to protect themselves and get the job done.”

Kerry also questioned Bush’s economic policy, pointing to the net job loss of 900,000 since Bush took office in 2001. That’s 7 million less than Bush promised when he ran for president four years ago.

Kerry also borrowed a page from controversial filmmaker Michael Moore’s playbook in reference to what Kerry called broken promises about clean coal technology investments.

“In 2000, [Bush] came right here to West Virginia and promised $2 million for clean coal technology,” Kerry said.

“There’s an old saying: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Well, we’re not going to be fooled twice,” Kerry said, repeating a saying that Bush famously bungled. Footage of Bush’s mistake was used in Moore’s film “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

Members of the mostly pro-Kerry crowd praised the speech, saying they liked the senator’s promises on jobs and health care.

“They talk about Kerry being a flip-flop,” said Stan Kenny, a retired coal miner who lives in Boone County. “That’s what Bush is. He put the steel tariffs in for workers, like myself, and then threw them out for his friends in big business.”

Although Bush, unlike former President Bill Clinton, enacted steel tariffs to help American mills like those in the Northern Panhandle, he cut them off last fall, 20 months into a three-year plan.

Before Kerry, Rep. Shelley Moore Capito spoke briefly at the rally and was booed. Afterward, the Republican said she prided herself on being accessible to people regardless of their feelings toward her.

Erik Wells, running against Capito, did speak, and send out a news release later Monday saying that the crowd’s reaction to Capito shows that she “is just not a friend of working families and they know it.”

To contact staff writer Paul Wilson, use e-mail or call 348-5179.
 
They should present him with a musket-loader. It should be inscribed "To the man who would reduce private gun-ownership to this: John Kerry"

:cool: :D
 
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