Why Does CZ-75 Have No Decocker?

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Martowski

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First off, I know that CZ makes the CZ-75BD that has a decocker. However, I have another question. Why would you have a pistol that has double action capabilities but no decocker? In order to use double action, you somehow have to safely decock the hammer. Wouldn't the CZ be better off with a decocker? I know a lot of people like the condition one carry option on the CZ, but isn't condition one more suitable for a single action like the Hi-Power, not a double action that is obviously intended to be carried with the hammer down in double action mode? I'm not bashing the CZ in any way; just a curious question.

Do any of you have a CZ-75BD? I'm thinking of getting a double action with a decocker and like the CZ's reputation, feel, and style, but would like some feedback on the BD model? Does it exhibit the same shooting characteristics as the CZ-75, but just with the different safety system? Why isn't it more popular? Seems like it would be a great handgun for those wanting a decocking double action 9mm hi-cap.
 
Semi-Auto pistols should be carried COCKED & LOCKED! Just the way that God and John Moses Browing intended! All these other gizmos are "...ingenious solutions to nonexistant problems." (Jeff Cooper)

Yr. Obt. Svnt.

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Fred J. Drumheller
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Correct gun-handling obviates the need for a de-cocker (or no-cocker?)

Own three EAA's (CZ copies), NEVER had an ND.

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
I understand that cocked & locked is a preferred carry for many individuals. However, if a gun is going to be carried cocked & locked, why have double action capability?
 
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Rick
"The incognito Bandit at work"

[This message has been edited by Bandito (edited October 20, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martowski:
I understand that cocked & locked is a preferred carry for many individuals. However, if a gun is going to be carried cocked & locked, why have double action capability? [/quote]

It's probly aimed at those who are not comfortable carrying cocked and locked but are comfortable easing the hammer down on a loaded chamber without having a decocking mechanism that probly effects the trigger feel. The 75B's do have a firing pin block and would be safe carrying in this mode.

I haven't handled or shot a 75BD so can't comment on it's charecteristics. However the 75BD so utilize the same frame, slide/barrel configuration,therefore I would think they would be just as accurate and reliable as the 75B. The trigger is probly the only thing that would be affected.

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Rick
"The incognito Bandit at work"



[This message has been edited by Bandito (edited October 20, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...if a gun is going to be carried cocked & locked, why have double action capability?[/quote]

Why not? ;)

Seriously, its so you'll have re-strike capability on a hard primer, and for more options in carry modes.

My primary pistol isn't a CZ, but has similar characteristics, and I keep it cocked and locked when carrying, hammer down when its on the nightstand.
 
I don't want to get into the debate but I will say that PERSONALLY I won't carry a cocked and locked auto unless it has a grip safety.

I carry an EAA Witness .45 at half-cock and would like to share a method for decocking that I feel is pretty safe.

Instead of thumbing the hammer down with the firing hand I place the index finger of my off hand on the hammer face and grasp the hammer with my thumb. I can then ease the hammer down. To my way of thinking this has two advantages:

1)The full thickness of my finger is between the hammer and the firing pin. I can release the trigger and pull my finger out and the hammer will be in the half cock notch. If I want to lower the hammer all the way I can lower the hammer past the half-cock notch, let go of the trigger (which locks the firing pin) and then move my finger off the face of the hammer and onto the top to ease it down all the way.

2) If I somehow manage to screw up this incredibly simple procedure and have a ND, my off hand will move with the slide and be less injured than if I use my gun hand thumb, which would be hyper extended backwards by the slide.

regards,
David
 
I concur with you Martowski that a DA/SA pistol should have a decocker. In a sense, the CZ-75 is a step backwards in that it retains the 1911 cocked and locked configuration. When does one ever get the chance to use the DA feature? Almost never unless one bothers to decock the weapon first. I myself enjoy using the older CZ-75 in the DA mode. It has a trigger pulled which is rivaled only by the Python.

On the other hand though, retaining the safety in a cocked mode does have appeal for those trained with the 1911. Happily though, with the CZ-75BD, the best of both worlds can be had by all.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 4V50 Gary:
I concur with you Martowski that a DA/SA pistol should have a decocker. In a sense, the CZ-75 is a step backwards in that it retains the 1911 cocked and locked configuration. When does one ever get the chance to use the DA feature? Almost never unless one bothers to decock the weapon first. I myself enjoy using the older CZ-75 in the DA mode. It has a trigger pulled which is rivaled only by the Python.[/quote]

I've found, shooting IDPA, that I do just as well starting from DA as SA with cocked and locked.

That's in part because I've had a good gunsmith do a great trigger job, and the DA/SA transition is absolutely effortless.) That being the case, the only time I used cocked/locked is when use the same gun to shoot Enhanced Service Pistol, which isn't often...

A decocker would be nice, but I've lowered the hammer thousands of times with no mishap. And I know a lot of guys who don't trust ANY decocker. (I'm not one of them.)

In the IDPA context you'll generally just drop the mag, eject the cartridge, and pull the trigger, while pointing the gun down range...IF it was loaded when you're done.
 
Greetings,

When I bought My CZ-75, I got the BD beacause the decocker seemed like a good feature in a double-action pistol. The decocker brings the hammer to half-cock and decreases the length and weight of the double-action trigger pull. My pistol is plenty accurate and I am extremely happy with it.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
IMHO the decocker just isn`t necessary. It`s like having automatic locking doors on a car. If I want my doors locked I`ll lock em myself thank you. Same with my CZ. If I don`t wanna use it cocked and locked I simply decock it manually. I use the same method as loudrnhel. I don`t see anything unsafe about it at all. Folks decock SA revolvers all the time without complaining about the lack of decocker,they just use good technique and safe gun handling skills. Besides I don`t trust mechanical gadgets 100%. Even when I decock my P-97 I ease the hammer down with my other hand. Marcus
 
If you're not skilled enough to gently return a hammer to it's resting place with discharging the weapon, then you're not skilled enough to own a firearm in the first place.

Just my two cents.

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Take the long way home...
 
Why? Maybe because the CZ was invented by people who knew about firearms and not by a bunch of trial attorneys. I own dozens of revolvers, a Colt Combat Commander, and for many years a Witness .45 and never felt it was unsafe that none of them had a decocker. A decocker can be a nice feature but I'm not sure it enhances safety, in fact it can encourage unsafe behavior by establishing the mind set that all you have to do is push a lever to "make safe," disgrading other basic safety principals. Perhaps this is why LEOs have so many accidental discharges now days. -- Kernel
 
Here is a question for y'all: Do the parts in a decocker ever get worn out to the point that a pistol could discharge in the process of decocking it?

I guess it would depend on the pistol of course. I've always felt safer trusting my own attentiveness and dexterity when lowering a hammer rather than trusting a mechanical device.

regards,
David
 
Here's a little story regarding the reliability of decockers on handguns:

The Finnish Defence Forces use an FN-80 (Or so I'm told. Weapons are usually called by their military designated names at least in the Finnish military...) 9mm DA pistol. This thing looks like a Brownign High-Power, only it has what looks at first sight to be a safety on either side of the slide. This is the de-cocking lever. When we were trained with this pistol (I completed my mandatory "tour-of-duty" May 30th this year), we were instructed to lower the hammer by grasping the de-cocking lever with our off-hands thumb and index finger, and easing the hammer down with our shooting hand's thumb. During training, we were told that previously the procedure was just to drop the hammer with the de-cocker, but that there had been several accidental discharges this way.

Now, I suppose one could argue about the reliability of one weapon vs. the other,but personally, I'd rather not trust a mechanical device 100%. (Of course, my P99 can't really be decocked "by hand". :( Oh well. No gun is perfect...)

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Tony S.

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