Why do you carry?

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Hello everyone!

I am a college student at UCI and am currently doing some research on thefiringline.com. Ok, it is just for a final paper so not real research. :)

In Germany where I am from (born & raised) bearing guns is basically illegal. So there is not really a culture for carrying guns.

Against this background I am extremely interested in why you guys carry? What do guns firearms symbolize to you? What do you use guns/firearms for? (self-defense/hunting)

I am looking forward to your answers!!!

Thanks, M
 
Just before Christmas of last year a man in my city walked into a convenience store, sprayed the clerk in the face with a chemical, and then beat him in the head with a hammer. The clerk went to the hospital and was on life support last time I checked. His attacker walked away with two cartons of Marlboro Red cigarettes.

I carry because there are people in this world who will beat you to within an inch of your life for something as trivial as cigarettes, and won't think twice about it. Luckily, they are few and far between.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/12/man_attacks_mini_mart_cashier.php
 
A recap for those who didn't grow up with guns (or who were raised in the US but chose to ignore them in the hope they would go away...) -

There were two opposing views on the Second Amendment. One was that it covered guns as needed by a member of a militia (now no longer necessary), and the other was that it was an individual right.

Attempts were made to "dilute" the Second Amendment by stating that guns were only necessary for sporting purposes (hunting and target shooting) and many laws were passed to essentially restrict gun ownership to these activities.

Heller found that the Second Amendment was, indeed, an individual right, and that the injured party had a right to keep a gun in his home for defense.

Additional court decisions will determine the structure of this individual right. For example, does it include the right to carry a gun as well as own one?

To understand why gun ownership is considered so important in the US, you also have to understand that this country, unlike many others, recognizes the right to self-defense. If you fear for your life, you may be justified in using deadly force against another. You will be charged with a crime, but at least you have a chance of having the charges dismissed if the actions you took are found to be justified.

So, here's your homework -

Heller
Second Amendment
use of deadly force for self-defense
castle doctrine
"shall issue" concealed pistol licenses

In addition to those who oppose guns for self-defense, as described above, there are also those who oppose ownership of certain kinds of guns which have no "sporting use". For this aspect of gun ownership, research -

Assault Weapons Ban
Evil Black Rifle
magazine capacity limits

Good luck. This is a very complex topic with a lot of "corners".
 
why you guys carry? What do guns firearms symbolize to you? What do you use guns/firearms for? (self-defense/hunting)

I carry a gun because doing so means I might have some way to defend myself should the occasion ever arise. We don't live in a bubble and there are bad people out there who are willing to kill or maim me for the contents of my wallet.

Re your second question, to me guns symbolize freedom. Anytime (in recent history) an oppressive government has sought to subjugate its people, its first step was to disarm the population. (Cf Nazi Germany and the Jews.) Our founding fathers wanted to make sure that Americans had firearms so that we could protect ourselves from just such a government. Guns used to be such a part of American culture that even during WW2, the Japanese were afraid to invade the mainland because there would be "a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Finally, what do I use guns for? I hunt a little (less as I get older, it seems).
I carry a gun for self defense, but pray I never have to use a gun for self defense.
 
For the same reason I carry homeowner's insurance. I don't expect my houses to burn down, but just in case.....

Also, because it makes me feel like an American, which is sadly not important to many in this day and age. There are few other places in the world where one can legally carry a firearm.
 
Researcher,

My answer is very simple: God gave me my life. He also gave me a portion of Himself when He proclaimed during the creation of man, "Let us make man in our image".

As such, I have been given the portion of God that allows me to weigh good and bad, . . . evil and nice, . . . to do and to avoid.

My good list, nice list, and to do list: to live and enjoy my God given life, with the God given privelege of protecting it from bad, from evil, and from things to avoid.

All through the animal world, and the plant world: God also gave them mechanisms to protect themselves from their predators, . . . camoflage, ability to run, ability to climb trees, claws, teeth, poisons, many different means were given to the plants and animals to protect themselves.

We were given our brains most importantly, . . . and we devised clubs, knives, swords, shields, spears, . . . and yes guns. Properly employed, guns are for defensive purposes only.

I carry a gun for protection, the same way a 750 pound Bengal tiger carrys his teeth and claws, . . . the same way the antelope carrys his long fast legs. And I use it in the same way the antelope uses his legs, . . . or the tiger defends himself, . . . with rigor, no remorse, no quarter asked, and no quarter given.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
Researcher, do criminals carry guns in your country? How do you feel being defenseless against them?

Our forefathers has given us this right to bear arm against oppression be it from the enemies or governments. This is the land of the free and home of the brave.

God bless America.
 
Personal protection mostly.I work in some pretty bad areas in the inter city at night.& I'm not a young man anymore & gangs,city dog packs,And just bad folks is a real concern.I just hate the idea of being on the 11.00 news saying If I would of had My gun I wouldnt be going to the hospital.
Know what I mean ?,To OLD for that crap.:eek:;)
 
Exactly when and where will you or a family member next be confronted with preventable bodily harm by another?

Answer this question and you will not need to carry on a regular basis, but only at that location, at that time.

If you take responsibility for yourself and your family's safety, but you don't know when and where the need will arise, then the round-the-clock ability to employ deadly force is a responsible choice.

If you decide to not carry regularly because the likelihood of need is small, then you have set a limit on how much effort you are willing to expend in their (loved ones) defense. The consequences can be permanent.

The government is not responsible for protecting your family. You are. Responsibilities of spouse and parent should not be taken lightly.
 
According to Gunpolicy.org, which is supported by governmental departments of both Switzerland and the Netherlands, the following statistics apply to Germany. It would seem that the culture the OP is referring to is perhaps a bit more heavily armed than he might realise.

I respectfully submit that many people (but by no means all, nor even a majority) in this country carry guns because they can.

Freedom is an interesting concept, and has drawbacks insofar as control is concerned, but sensationalism aside, it is true that only a very small percentage of people legally carrying firearms are charged with crimes.


Civilian Guns in Germany:

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Germany is 25,000,000

The rate of private gun ownership in Germany is 30.32 firearms per 100 people

In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Germany ranked at No. 41

In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Germany ranked at No. 152

The number of licensed gun owners in Germany is reported to be 2,000,000

The rate of licensed firearm owners in Germany is 2.444 per 100 people

The number of registered guns in Germany is reported to be 7,200,000
Compare
Rate of Registered Firearms per 100 Population
The rate of registered firearms per 100 people in Germany is 8.734

Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Germany there are estimated to be 17,000,000

Unlawfully held guns cannot be counted, but in Germany there are estimated to be 20.614 illicit firearms per 100 people
 
I choose to carry a firearm because, through my own life experiences, I've learned that the only person who can be relied upon to protect me from those who might wish me harm is myself. Police are well and good, but the police cannot protect everyone, everywhere, all the time. In just 5-10 minutes, which is extremely optomistic for a police response time, someone with the will and means could conceivably kill not only me, but my entire family as well. This is not a situation that I am willing to live with; rather I prefer the response time to be no more than the time it takes me to draw my handgun from its holster.

While I have thankfully never had to use deadly force to defend myself or my loved ones, I have been in a couple of situations in which I thought that it may be an imminent possibility. Being in a situation where you believe that someone else has both the means and motivation to kill or seriously injure you and having nothing but your bare hands and wits to defend yourself is an awful feeling and not one that I ever plan to experience again.

We could compare the violent crime rates of various places with differing gun laws; something that has been done to ad nauseum and still can't really give us any meaningful correlations much less prove causation. However, statistics are quite meaningless to the person who is being victimized. The fact remains that no set of laws, no force of police, and no harshness of punishment has ever eliminated violent crime. Even if you happen to live in the country with the lowest violent crime rate in the world, there is still some violent crime and the low rate won't be of much comfort to you should you be unfortunate enough to become part of the statistic.
 
Please forgive me for linking my own site to answer your question -- it's just that cutting & pasting is easier than typing, and the linked articles are a little long.

Here are some of my answers:

From http://corneredcat.com/Why_I_Carry_a_Gun/

Kathy Jackson aka pax said:
Although the stereotype is that gun owners are after some sort of a "power rush," I never have felt super-powerful or invincible when carrying a gun, nor anything remotely like that. Instead, in a low-key sort of way, I simply feel confident that I am equipped to handle an unpleasant or even deadly situation if I really need to do so. Because I know I could cope with the worst that could happen, I am free to go about my regular business without a lot of that low-level, back-of-the-mind feeling of vulnerability that most women experience on some level in their daily lives (especially when traveling though big cities, or in deserted areas after dark). When I first began carrying, I really liked having that feeling of calm confidence which came from being prepared to cope with the worst life could possibly throw at me, and I wanted to keep feeling it.

And that is why I carry a gun all the time.

Another snippet, this one from http://corneredcat.com/Compensating_for_Something/

Kathy Jackson aka pax said:
Somehow I've never been able to wrap my brain around the idea of throwing myself on the mercy of the merciless. I cannot imagine betting my very life (or the lives of my children) on my ability to reason with the unreasonable. Nor am I alone in that skepticism, because you know what? SWAT teams often negotiate, but every single one of the guys on the team has a deadly weapon available too. I guess those guys are compensating for having the same skepticism that I do.

It just seems to me really unlikely that the intended victim could talk a Son of Sam or a BTK or a Hillside Strangler into quitting. In some circumstances, that's worth trying, but it's sure not worth putting all your eggs in that basket. I'm compensating for wanting a decent back-up plan.

And one more. From http://corneredcat.com/Why_a_Gun/

Kathy Jackson aka pax said:
It's surprising to me, the number of people who think the purpose of carrying a gun is to "kill someone." Most emphatically, it is not. Firearms are indeed useful for defense, but their usefulness does not happen simply because they can be lethal. Rather, they are useful because, to date, they are the most effective (and perhaps the only reliable) means for stopping a determined criminal attack before an innocent person is gravely injured, maimed for life, or killed.

For those who would rather use a less-lethal means of defense, I absolutely support your right to choose whatever tools or techniques you feel you need in order to protect yourself. Kudos to you for your determination to stay safe! Like you, I see that awareness, avoidance, de-escalation, and deterrence are the absolute best first line of defense. Whenever possible, the smart choice is to avoid situations which may make physical self defense necessary. Stay away from dangerous people and places. Pay attention to what is happening around you. Listen to the little voice that tells you something might be wrong, and get away before trouble starts. Do not escalate unpleasant encounters, but rather use your calm, confident demeanor to remove yourself from the situation as quickly as possible. Use whatever means you can contrive to convince the potential attacker that it is not worth the effort it will take to assault you. Learn the body language of empowerment and capability and use it. If you do get attacked and cannot defend yourself physically, remember that negotiation, misdirection, and outright lying in order to escape are all perfectly acceptable. If the criminal just wants stuff, give him stuff; stuff is less valuable than human lives. These simple, intelligent precautions can save you from a world of grief.

But when all that fails, what's left? Do we ignore the danger from a brutal, determined, vicious assailant simply because we are afraid of the consequences of an effective defense? Do we choose not to defend ourselves to the uttermost because our best means of defense may result in the criminal's death?

Here is what it boils down to, for me. If the attacker pushes the incident clear to the desperate place where someone -- either the intended victim herself, or the arriving officers who are armed with deadly weapons -- must make a choice between saving either the attacker's life or the victim's, I really believe that the intended victim's innocent life should be the one that is spared, without question and without hesitation.

If a criminal attacks me without provocation, why should he -- the aggressor, the malefactor, the bad actor -- get to choose which one of us survives our encounter? In initiating such extreme violence, the criminal has already chosen that at least one person will die or be seriously injured as a result of his acts. The law allows for lethal self-defense because wise people through the ages have recognized that in some circumstances, literally the only choice left for another person to make is whether the intended victim or the person who attacked her will be the one to survive.

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Of course, what the police need to do in order to fulfill their jobs, I do not need to do as a private citizen. I do not need to seek out wrongdoers and bring them to justice. That's not my job. As a private person, if I am interacting with a criminal at all, it is because the criminal brought the fight to me and attacked me without provocation. The criminal gets the element of surprise, and he chooses when, where, and whether to attack me. I may get to choose my response, but I don't get to choose the time or the place. And I do not get to choose whether or not the conflict is "worth" a human life; the attacker does.

Whatever form my response to the attack might take, it has to happen right now and it simply will not wait for someone else to arrive on scene. Unlike the typical police officer dealing with a criminal, the ordinary citizen does not have the luxury of waiting to initiate contact until the time is right. The criminal attacks with little or no warning. The odds are already stacked against the intended victim, or the criminal would not have chosen that time and that place to attack her.

Because ordinary people do not seek out criminals, our chances of being criminally assaulted are significantly lower than those faced by a police officer. But by the same token, if we are physically assaulted, it is relatively more likely that the criminal will intend to maim or kill ... and very much less likely that we will have anyone else standing by prepared to protect us if our first response fails. Whatever defense I choose to carry with me is very likely the only defense I will have available when the conflict begins, and perhaps for some time thereafter.

Hope this helps.

pax
Kathy Jackson
 
I carry because I have had enough of being a victim of armed robbery. I have been robbed at gunpoint 3 times in the past 12 years. I consider myself extremely lucky to have survived all three robberies.

Should the 4th robbery occur I will be armed and have a chance at surviving. My luck is bound to run out eventually and I want to have something in my favor should I start getting shot at.

I also have a bad back and am unable to physically fight back. A firearm helps me to protect myself and my family from various threats this society likes to spawn.
 
Thanks Bob.a.

Thanks Bob.a. for that information about Germany. I was totally not aware of that. It is interesting though that I was never ever worried to be attacked by gunpoint in Germany whereas I am in the U.S. Nor do I know anyone in Germany who ever mentioned that they are. Also, we are not allowed to carry arms in everyday life which makes a difference I guess.

Does anyone have an explanation/interpretation for why the perceived threat of being attacked with a firearm in the U.S. seems to be so big?

Cheers,

M
 
I carry because i was raised in the country(we all had pick up truck guns),and i was a M.P. in the Army(there are bad people willing to do you harm). It's not a ego or status symbol,i just refuse to be a victim.
 
Does anyone have an explanation/interpretation for why the perceived threat of being attacked with a firearm in the U.S. seems to be so big?

researcher,

To be clear, I am NOT worried about being attacked "at gunpoint" or "with a firearm." I am NOT worried about "gun crime." I am worried about crime, period. All types of violent crime.

As a woman, I am aware that an overwhelming majority of violent stranger rape/murders are committed by "unarmed" men, and that of the remainder who are armed, most are armed with "only" a knife. Would I be any less dead when strangled, stabbed, or bludgeoned to death?

Is a person stabbed to death with a screwdriver any less dead than one killed with a kitchen knife, or one killed with a kitchen knife any less dead than one killed with a switchblade? Are any of these people less dead than someone killed with a gun?

People opposed to ordinary citizens owning firearms always want to pretend that the issue is "gun crime" or "gun violence." That's not the real issue at all, and don't think for a moment that it is. Don't chase those disingenuously-manipulated "firearm crime" statistics! Instead, look at overall crime rates, especially violent crime rates.

What we in America have found is that violent crime rates go down when citizens have the means to fight back and a culture that tolerates them doing so. Our highest crime rates and our most violent cities are located in areas where firearms are most sharply restricted.

pax
 
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