Why are some people getting in a tiffy about "The Patriot"? possible movie spolier..

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OK...I havent seen the movie yet but based on sneak preview and a report from Rush Limbaugh. Gibsons character arms his 10 year old and another of his sons with rifles to help fight in the Revolution. From what I hear we actually see the children killing Redcoats. Based on this information it seems that liberals are going crazy and are "shocked" at such an image. I dont see what the hubub is all about. Considering that this was historically accurate. Just more gun control zealots mad at the lack of trigger locks on flintlock rifles eh? :D

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Try to take away my gun...and you will see my 2nd Amendment Right in ACTION!!! -Me
 
BLOODY COLONIALS!

If HMG had just had really stricy gun control in the colonieslthey would be singing God Save the Queen like decent Englishmen!
 
Biggles, the liberal do-gooders do NOT want to see or hear truth.

They are quite happy with their fantasy world thank you...

CMOS :rolleyes:

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
These are the people who look at the Mass Quarter and see only a MAN WITH A RIFLE and want to kick kids out of school for it on the Zero Tolerance clause...
I ask them "Well, what about HISTORY BOOKS?"

They suggest Burning...
Funny thing - Thats just wat I was thinking too! Hanging these traitors is a waste of good rope.
 
The same liberals that are criticizing such scenes in "The Patriot", are the same ones that awarded "American Beauty" an academy award for "Best Picture"! If you haven't seen the latter, you will never understand how the liberal mind works.

The "American Beauty" is the epitome of how liberals see America and Americans. As hopeless, disfunctional, misdirected, perverted, gun worshipping serfs. Should it surprise us then that the same liberal scum attack TRUE Americanism?

Don't you just love when the most vocal liberals expose themselves? We just keep adding them to our list. Interesting how the list really isn't growing anywhere as fast as the membership of a variety of pro-freedom anti-liberal organizations around the country.

Something like "the squeekiest wheel always requires the most oil", or "the emptiest drum beats the loudest". Sum total says we are winning. We just go unheard.
 
Paul Revere, what you said about "American Beauty," and in addition, it was BORRRING!

I haven't yet seen "The Patriot," but I'd bet a bunch of coins it is not boring. J.B.
 
Two small points from a guy that apparently just doesn't get it:

A. Our opponents equate the guns in The Patriot with the guns at Columbine. "IT'S THE GUNS, STUPID!!!"

B. Our opponents seem to differentiate the guns in The Patriot (a realistic historical portrayal) with the guns in Natural Born Killers (moneygrubbing Hollywood at its hypocritical worst). "IT'S NOT THE GUNS, STUPID!"

Please help me understand.
 
If the main stream media stopped reporting about crimes committed with guns, the American people would believe there isn't any crime. Of course the main stream media includes the motion picture industry, which by far glorifies the use of guns in crimes, especially guns that are not used by criminals (like sub-guns).

Now, eventhough crime rates are at record lows, the media propaganda machine continues to perpetuate the lies regarding crimes and guns. So why do they keep doing it? Conspirators hoping to create a global government require FEAR to be instilled into every man, woman, and child. Fear that only the efforts of a global government can resolve.

The conspirators favorite theme goes something like this...if we don't have chaos, we'll create it. If we don't have a war, we'll start one. If we don't have economic turmoil, will initiate that. If we don't have crime, we'll make it appear as though we do. By controlling the problem, they can easily offer up the solution, then see that the problem is resolved in accordance with the goals of their own agenda.

Justification of global governance.

It all begins to make sense when you subtract all the folly.
 
Easy to understand why the Liberal agenda just gets louder and louder when I read the following Jeff Cooper quote: "A fanatic is..one who redoubles his efforts after he has lost sight of his goals".
Mike/BC
 
Just another way for the antis to keep the message in front of the press. Just like the NAACP & the CSA flag.

Neither care about history.
 
American Beauty: 1. Guns and homophobia don't mix. (actually true and almost nonexistant in reality) 2. Government sponsored THC, if you can afford it, may allow you to see the "truth". Blecccch!

I haven't seen the "Patriot", but I am concious of "revisionist" history whether liberal or conservative in nature. I prefer the truth in cinema, not the recent version of U-nderwater fantasy that has hit the theaters,

I care not for British whiners. (although I greatly admire those that made and defended the true foundation of Britan.) "That blasted Mel made us pacifist Brits look like Nazis in Gallipoli and Braveheart. Now he wants to further our image as cruel agressors in OUR Colonies!!"

I'm not sure I even like Mel, but I really dislike those crybaby socialists who inhabit a failed economic and educational system who tell me that ART is only that which furthers a specific political agenda that I rightly despise.
 
I think it's a tempest in a teapot. My question is, is the movie fun to watch or is it boring to watch? If it's fun, then I don't care if Mel sets up his twin infant daughters with submachine guns.

Don't get me wrong - discussing the politics of movies is fun, and it sometimes movies are more entertaining if they're historically accurate. I even think there can be some political significance to media as a whole, or even some particular movies (i.e., it's reasonable for people to object to the racism in Birth of a Nation). But worrying about people carrying rifles in one particular action flick seems a bit silly to me.

So does anyone know if any patriots really did arm their ten-year-olds in the Revolutionary War?

--Amp
 
I dunno Amp. Children have been dragged into wars as active participants for thousands of years so it cannot be too farfetched in its concept.

I like your attitude of "Is it fun or not." I recently screened Seven Samurai for a 9 and 10 year old. It is the very loong 54' black and white with japanese subtitles. The younger couldn't hang (when does the color start?), but I was suprised that the elder really loved it.

I appreciate Birth of a Nation mainly for the battlefield scenes. It was filmed soon enough after the real thing, they still remembered.
 
This article "says it all" in my opinion.

Patriot Games: Critics Dismiss Real Truth of the American Revolution

By Matthew Robinson

It’s surprising what shocks American audiences these days. When it comes to imaginary life on the big screen, most people are contentedly inured to the rawest sex and most graphic violence.

Well, not quite. Mel Gibson’s new movie, The Patriot, managed to alarm some in the audience at a recent test screening in Los Angeles. According to reports, at one point in the film about the American Revolution, Gibson’s character, Benjamin Martin, arms his young sons with muskets. Their father leads the boys, just 10 and 13 years old, in an ambush of British soldiers.

Some in the audience “gasped” at the image of boys shooting guns. Young boys with guns! After Columbine, no less!

The Million Mom Marchers are apoplectic over the idea of young boys fighting alongside men for their homes. Rosie O’Donnell is disconsolate. Get ready for a no-holds-barred debate over whether Americans should respect the sacrifice and valor of the earliest Patriots.

We live in a remarkable time when the idea of patriotism is suspect, at least in the eyes of critics, academics and the press. The most celebrated books and most newsworthy stories hinge on the sins of the Founding Fathers, rather than their ideas and accomplishments. Some owned slaves. Others were corrupt and self-interested. Some had mistresses. We hear now that Francis Marion, the man after whom Gibson’s character is modeled, is alleged to have raped his slaves and hunted Indians for sport.

These are critical details, because, we’re told, they are the truth. But if critics were interested in flesh-and-blood truth, they wouldn’t object to the historical fact of 10-year-olds fighting and dying for freedom. The truth is, the American Revolution was a war won by the greatest generation of Americans to ever live.

That era is distant and cloudy to us now. The Revolutionaries believed that every citizen was responsible not just for his freedom, but for the liberty of the generations to come. They fought for the principle that a people who have no power to curb government’s appetite for money and power would soon be reduced to servitude.

The Patriot’s use of boys, thus, isn’t a dramatic ploy -- it is a historic fact. Not only were young men fighting in the revolution, but many of these American heroes were barely adults. George Washington surrounded himself with young, capable, and courageous officers.

One of those was Alexander Hamilton. He was just a teenager when he joined the revolutionary cause. At 17, he was a force to be reckoned with. He prodded the fight for independence with his brilliant pamphlet, A Farmer Refuted. In the 30,000 word article, Hamilton demolished the work of a 45-year-old Loyalist who argued that Americans should not fight for the principle of freedom from unjust Parliamentary taxation.

In college, Hamilton used his spare time to study the mathematics, and application of cannon in warfare. After volunteering for the army, he was rose quickly through the ranks to become a gifted artillery officer.

And the lad didn’t lack for courage. In the final assault on Yorktown, Hamilton and his young friend Marquis de Lafayette, who was two years his junior, led the two wings of the infantry offensive.

But gun controllers shouldn’t fret much. Hamilton didn’t fire his musket that time. In the pre-dawn raid on one of the critical British parapets, Hamilton had his men fix bayonets for a man-to-man assault.

Whatever the odds, Hamilton represented the early American spirit of liberty. Thomas Jefferson called him a “host unto himself” and a “colossus.” For the soft-hearted and soft-headed, the valor and courage and principles of that generation may be too much to handle. They can’t get past the image of boys with guns.

In those days, boys became men much earlier. They struck out on their own at 14 or 15. And men were willing to die for freedom, the rule of law, and limited government. They were tougher and fearlessly self-reliant. America didn’t want Britain’s huge, corrupt and distant government because they believed in their ability--and their right--to govern themselves.

Today’s objections to the Revolutionary generation obscure what is important about America’s Founders. They had their share of sinners, hypocrites, and, yes, slaveholders. But the attacks against them say more about the petty, small, and self-important personalities of our era.

The vicious drag them down not out of any dedication to truth. The real objective is to use history for propaganda purposes. And if that means squelching great deeds of great men or the dramatic deeds of courageous boys, then the first and most unpitied victim of their cause will be the truth. Not only do they lack the courage and sense of sacrifice of that early generation, but they gasp at the very idea of courage and sacrifice.
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Matthew Robinson is the 1999 Phillips Foundation Journalism Fellow and an adjunct fellow of the Claremont Institute.
 
Does anyone have contact information for where to email the studio, the producers, and Mel to show some support for making this movie?
This may be the horse ahead of the wagon as I have not seen the movie - but the questions it raises already make this movie one worth taking the family to see and then buying on DVD ASAP...

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You might laugh in the face of FEAR... but unless your armed, its a nervous, unconvincing, little laugh.
 
Why is that people never mention Aron Burr when they bring up young officers in the Revolutionary Army?

I'd like to see Gibson on the the whinnying Rose show. I wonder if she'll attack him in the same vitrolic way that she went after Tom Selleck. My guess is she won't. While I don't doubt for a second Gibson and company included scenes of children fighting more to spark interest than to be accurate, Selleck openly supports RKBA.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
A thought just occured to me. Rosie is big on Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise uses guns in his movies. hmmm...Rosie was in Exit to Eden. Hmmmm....she WELDED a gun on that movie too. Hmmm indeed :D
 
Oscar's post says it best. Ask yourself why so many jobs are being created in Gov. and laws created that drive industry away from our shores. We are quick becomming a nations of servants to the Government at some point they may be the only employer. I just hope the director sticks to his guns on this one, a lot of those same people complained about the opening scenes of Search for private Ryan too. If it goes out intact let's make sure it is a hit! Go see it several times and write letters to the studio asking for more just like it. Time to light a fire for Liberty and this is just about the only way the "masses" learn anything these days!
 
Children fighting in wars is not new, nor is it some archaic practice that is dying out. In a modern total war, there is no such thing as a "civilian" - everyone is part of the infrastructure that produces war materials, and therefore a target. Do you think our bombers just blew up men when they bombed factories and housing? Or that the Germans only killed grown-ups with the V-1's & V-2's?
Napolean drafted 13 yr-olds to fight at Waterloo, the Nazi's had the Hitler Youth, the European resistance had children in it's ranks, the Iranians used their own children to clear mine fields, children are carrying AK's in Africa, former Yugoslavia, etc. And I know one US veteran who was supposed to be released from the army on Dec. 7, 1941 because they found out he lied about his age. He was only 15 yrs old and our army knew about it, but when the war came, away he went with the men. When he turned 16, he was already a combat veteran with the 2nd Armored Division.
I have no doubt children fought in the Revolution. They also helped plow the fields, hunt for food, chop wood, and any number of other dangerous activities.
 
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