Why a flash suppressor on a bolt action?
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Ideal Tool
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The British must have thought it was necessary..The No. 5 Mk1...AKA.."Jungle Carbine" had one.
SurplusShooter
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It was to keep the muzzel flash down on a full power round going down a short barrel.
Art Eatman
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atlantis, I shot a buddy's Ruger Scout. My only gripe whatsoever is with the mag sticking down like it does. Plenty accurate for groups; easy to hit steel at 200 yards with the forward mount scope. Decent trigger on his Scout.
If there were a four-round mag for it, I might even get one as a truck gun. All in all, it's a good little general purpose critter.
If there were a four-round mag for it, I might even get one as a truck gun. All in all, it's a good little general purpose critter.
"...why they put a flash suppressor on it..." Marketing. Looks cool.
The whole 'scout rifle' concept was one of Jeff Cooper's more stupid ideas. Neither Ruger nor any military had anything to do with it.
"...never seen the muzzle flash when..." There isn't any in daylight.
The whole 'scout rifle' concept was one of Jeff Cooper's more stupid ideas. Neither Ruger nor any military had anything to do with it.
"...never seen the muzzle flash when..." There isn't any in daylight.
I am not sure why Ruger put it on, but the biggest advantage IMO of a flashhider on a rifle meant for rough duty-truck gun- etc type use is the flash hider protects the muzzle crown. I have seen more than one rifle with a buggered up crown from bouncing around mile after mile in motorized vehicles. Also less chance of plugging the muzzle with dirt, snow, or other debris.
banditgriot
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Spanish Mauser FR-8 had a flash suppressor and it was a short barreled bolt action carbine. I guess one military outfit saw fit to use one...
While you would buy a M1A if you wanted something for self defense, part of the concept of the scout rifle IS self defense, as well as hunting.
The rifle is also sound suppressor ready without having to send it somewhere to be threaded. Like
anything its features are either something that fills a niche in your
collection, or appeals to you... Or is best filled by some other brand/model/ or caliber.
The rifle is also sound suppressor ready without having to send it somewhere to be threaded. Like
anything its features are either something that fills a niche in your
collection, or appeals to you... Or is best filled by some other brand/model/ or caliber.
Also, they are not the only one left marketing a bolt action for possible use against an armed bad guy. While
it doesnt have a threaded muzzle, FN's "Patrol Bolt Rifle" is marketed toward police parol car use , for those times where nothing but a scoped rifle in the hands of a first responder will do. (think North Hollywood bank robbery/ shootout)
it doesnt have a threaded muzzle, FN's "Patrol Bolt Rifle" is marketed toward police parol car use , for those times where nothing but a scoped rifle in the hands of a first responder will do. (think North Hollywood bank robbery/ shootout)
Double Naught Spy
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I don't know about y'all, but why would I want a rifle that produces a goodly amount of flash if I could have it not produce flash? I don't see muzzle flash as being beneficial or certainly not as beneficial as not having it.
Edward429451
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and yet, you've never shot it at dusk! 
Any rifle that burns a lot of powder will flash. Less flash is better for me, but I don't care what people think. Heck I might put one on my 1895G to break up that 45/70 fireball.
Any rifle that burns a lot of powder will flash. Less flash is better for me, but I don't care what people think. Heck I might put one on my 1895G to break up that 45/70 fireball.riomedinamike
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O'Heir's comment about Cooper's more stupid ideas
Mr. O'Heir:
I rarely comment on forums, but I felt compelled to do so in this instance.
For those who actually knew Lt. Col. Cooper, he would never deem it necessary to defend himself on some forum where someone spends inordinate amounts of time of his life, rather than actually working, teaching, fighting world wars, shooting, and raising a fine family. His legacy withstands your internet postings.
Nevertheless, you have strong opinions about Lt. Col. Cooper's idealization of the scout rifle as one of Lt. Col. Cooper's "more stupid ideas", so obviously you presuppose other stupid or foolish comments, as opposed to all of your "3000" sage, wise, and brilliant comments on posts (on this forum alone!) (please forgive me for not having struggled through each one).
To accuse Lt. Col. Cooper of being stupid and/or having stupid ideas is either ignorant, spurious, or asinine. Since I don't know you personally with our semi- anonymous internet, I will assume you are ignorant (and would not have the fortitude to call Lt. Col. Cooper stupid to his face). The word stupid and ignorant are different, so get your dictionary, look em up, and then we can proceed.
Using your logic, everyone not building a scout rifle is ""smart", since it was not adopted by any of the worlds's armies. Continuing with your premise, the rest of the world that does not build M-16's, AK's, or Beretta 92's must be on the same side of the stupid line as Lt. Col. Cooper. Alongside him are all those dummy Ivy League MBA's who help run gun companies (and remember, Cooper was a dumb ivy leauger from Stanford, those nimwits) so they can just run those companies into the ground.
Then, upon your return, I eagerly await you to post for the edification of the rest of us the ISBN of all the books you have written and published regarding any of your war stories, gun techiques developed, schools started, guns designed, and being one of the the stalwarts of a development of the modern technique of the pistol which has been virtually adopted in one form or another by basically every modern army, police, and other law enforcement in the world, and is taught by the myriad of gun schools thoughout the country (with slight modifications) (except for maybe Canada, where you can't have pistols or revolvers. Dangit!). As of now, I don't recall seeing or reading any of your books or seeing your technique taught. Not to worry, I don't have any of mine either; I have to get by on what I've been taught these last 36 years or so of that thing called practical shooting.
Now, to more important matters, maybe Ruger put a flash suppressor on the rife so when one shoots early in the morning, or early at night, one does not have a huge fireball to constrict one's pupils so you will be better prepared for that possible second shot. Or, Ruger's marketing group thought it would help the rifle sell better, so they could make more american dollars. Or, Ruger put it there so someone would be less able to determine where the shot came from. Look at all those military rifles with evil flash suppressors. Someone must know what they are doing, but we will wait for you to weigh in so we can all be enlightened.
Yours truly,
A South Texan
Mr. O'Heir:
I rarely comment on forums, but I felt compelled to do so in this instance.
For those who actually knew Lt. Col. Cooper, he would never deem it necessary to defend himself on some forum where someone spends inordinate amounts of time of his life, rather than actually working, teaching, fighting world wars, shooting, and raising a fine family. His legacy withstands your internet postings.
Nevertheless, you have strong opinions about Lt. Col. Cooper's idealization of the scout rifle as one of Lt. Col. Cooper's "more stupid ideas", so obviously you presuppose other stupid or foolish comments, as opposed to all of your "3000" sage, wise, and brilliant comments on posts (on this forum alone!) (please forgive me for not having struggled through each one).
To accuse Lt. Col. Cooper of being stupid and/or having stupid ideas is either ignorant, spurious, or asinine. Since I don't know you personally with our semi- anonymous internet, I will assume you are ignorant (and would not have the fortitude to call Lt. Col. Cooper stupid to his face). The word stupid and ignorant are different, so get your dictionary, look em up, and then we can proceed.
Using your logic, everyone not building a scout rifle is ""smart", since it was not adopted by any of the worlds's armies. Continuing with your premise, the rest of the world that does not build M-16's, AK's, or Beretta 92's must be on the same side of the stupid line as Lt. Col. Cooper. Alongside him are all those dummy Ivy League MBA's who help run gun companies (and remember, Cooper was a dumb ivy leauger from Stanford, those nimwits) so they can just run those companies into the ground.
Then, upon your return, I eagerly await you to post for the edification of the rest of us the ISBN of all the books you have written and published regarding any of your war stories, gun techiques developed, schools started, guns designed, and being one of the the stalwarts of a development of the modern technique of the pistol which has been virtually adopted in one form or another by basically every modern army, police, and other law enforcement in the world, and is taught by the myriad of gun schools thoughout the country (with slight modifications) (except for maybe Canada, where you can't have pistols or revolvers. Dangit!). As of now, I don't recall seeing or reading any of your books or seeing your technique taught. Not to worry, I don't have any of mine either; I have to get by on what I've been taught these last 36 years or so of that thing called practical shooting.
Now, to more important matters, maybe Ruger put a flash suppressor on the rife so when one shoots early in the morning, or early at night, one does not have a huge fireball to constrict one's pupils so you will be better prepared for that possible second shot. Or, Ruger's marketing group thought it would help the rifle sell better, so they could make more american dollars. Or, Ruger put it there so someone would be less able to determine where the shot came from. Look at all those military rifles with evil flash suppressors. Someone must know what they are doing, but we will wait for you to weigh in so we can all be enlightened.
Yours truly,
A South Texan
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