Why a Federal ID, to give money to the State?

Gary Conner

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Now, in Texas you cannot purchase a State hunting license, unless you provide your Social Security card, and that was imposed upon the States by a FEDERAL statute, which is numbered interestingly enough, as:

Statute 42, USC 666. The reason they give for the requirement, according to the explanation on page 21 of the 2006-2007 Texas Parks and Wildlife Hunting regulations book, is due to "Child Support Collection Enforcement."

So in Texas now, you can neither purchase a driver's license, nor purchase a hunting license without producing a copy of your social security card, according to a Federal Statute. All for the sole stated purpose, of punishing someone other than yourself, if you are not a "Deadbeat Dad" who doesn't pay his child support.

I doubt someone who won't support his own kids, would worry much about being properly licensed to hunt but I guess we can never underestimate the ability of government to punish those who attempt to do the right thing.

And soon, we will all be required to have a Standardized Federal ID card, which can even require retinal scanning (under the Real ID Act) if you wish to board any airplane owned by a common carrier, or enter a Federal Building, or any Federal facility or to even collect the Social Security Benefits the SS number was intended to be SOLELY used for in the first place.

Seeing that Federal Courts are housed in Federal Buildings, if a guy like me (who for instance does not fly any longer, nor do I have any need to enter a Federal facility, and therefore have no intention of applying for a Federal ID card) were to be called to testify by subpoena, I would not be allowed to enter the building in order to comply with Federal law, so I could respond to a Federal Court subpoena.

I would then be in violation of a Federal Court Subpoena, even if I responded to it, since the Marshals who provide security for Federal Court buildings would not according to the law, allow a person into a Federal building, without a Federal ID card.

But I just love some of the stupid stuff passed by our past Congress. Perhaps that is one of the reasons many are being sent home.

I do not know if a Federal ID card will be required to purchase ammo or firearms yet, as I have not read the entire act. However, wouldn't that constitute a National Firearms Registration system? One of the allowable requirements to the States, is the information to be digitized.

Wonder if that constitutes a national registry? And furthermore, how does paying me back some of the money I've invested into the Federal Social Security Ponzi scheme based soleley upon the Social Security card they've used in order to confiscate my earnings, relate to a national security threat, if I don't have a Federal ID card?

Wonder why the social security number they've used for the past forty years to confiscate my earnings, won't be good enough to give back at least a portion of what I've paid in in taxes? How is the government sending a check to the same guy they've taken money from for over forty years based upon the exact information they have, now become a security issue? Why would I need (besides compliance with this stupid Act) a retina scan in order to give me back some of my money, but they didn't need a retina scan the previous day, to collect if from me?
 
Ain't Big Brother great?(dripping with sarcasm)

Did you really think that we wanted those laws to be observed? . . . We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

badbob
 
Badbob, the stupidity of the whole concept, is simply astounding.

If our enemy is foreign Islamic Radical Groups from the middle east, how in the hell could a guy who paid into SS for forty years be an issue?

We are being governed by the insane.
 
our enemy is foreign Islamic Radical Groups from the middle east
They hate us for our freedoms, remember? They have less reason to hate us now, soon we'll hate them for their freedom, IMO.

badbob
 
I don't see how this law can stand, if there's a federal law which says that "having an SSN is NOT mandatory". Unless the law looks at it like this: "It's not mandatory, but you ain't drivin or huntin (legally) til you get one.". That's possible I suppose. More federal intrusion into areas which STATES can, should, and have historically regulated just fine without the fedgov's "help". :mad: Make no mistake - it's quite possible that as a society (on the state level), we make a policy decision that "deadbeat dads ain't gonna hunt & fish legally" - I'm all for that, actually. But it doesn't need to come from the stinkin' FEDERAL government, and doesn't need to involve a federal number (the SSN).

As for taking driver's licenses from the deadbeat dads, that's arguable - it seeems counterproductive to me - how they gonna get to work to make money to pay? But I see the counterpoint there too.
 
Seeing that Federal Courts are housed in Federal Buildings, if a guy like me (who for instance does not fly any longer, nor do I have any need to enter a Federal facility, and therefore have no intention of applying for a Federal ID card) were to be called to testify by subpoena, I would not be allowed to enter the building in order to comply with Federal law, so I could respond to a Federal Court subpoena.

I would then be in violation of a Federal Court Subpoena, even if I responded to it, since the Marshals who provide security for Federal Court buildings would not according to the law, allow a person into a Federal building, without a Federal ID card.

Now there's a carborundum wrapped inside an enema.

Perhaps that is one of the reasons many are being sent home.

!
 
The seat belt law is a good example of Federal government intrusion. Seat belt laws are State laws, but the feds threatened to withhold highway funds if the states didn't pass laws requiring the use of seat belts. This led to road blocks allegedly to check for seat belt compliance, but really an excuse for a fishing expedition to find anything else you "might" not be in compliance with.

BTW, in Printz v. US the Supreme Court ruled basically that a Fed. mandate is not enforcable unless the State makes it a law and the threat of losing funding is the "carrot" the Feds use. Same thing with schools. If the school board really wanted local control, they would turn down federal funding. No fed funding, no fed control.

c) The Constitution's structure reveals a principle that controls these cases: the system of "dual sovereignty." See, e.g., Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 457. Although the States surrendered many of their powers to the new Federal Government, they retained a residuary and inviolable sovereignty that is reflected throughout the Constitution's text. See, e.g., Lane County v. Oregon, 7 Wall. 71, 76. The Framers rejected the concept of a central government that would act upon and through the States, and instead designed a system in which the State and Federal Governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people. The Federal Government's power would be augmented immeasurably and impermissibly if it were able to impress into its service--and at no cost to itself--the police officers of the 50 States. Pp. 18-22.
badbob
 
Hey Badbob:
Re: the following:
and instead designed a system in which the State and Federal Governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people.

Heck, all this time I thought it was supposed to be the other way around!
 
Good catch, Gary. I don't know what to say, maybe "government of the people, by the people, for the people" is an alien concept to the Supremes.:eek: That would explain a lot.

badbob
 
It's just the begining

Of the "Mark". They will tax us for every thing we do. With the chip in your wallet ID, they will know when you went to the bathroom and how paper you used. Naturally it is totally against everything good and decent. But it will be hacked and abused and then it goes in your right hand. [If your right hand stumbles you chop it off]. If you refuse and can't find food or water for you and yours and give in, it will be tattooed on your forehead, for everybody to know that you refused it at first. Then you will have to bow down to the scanner, to get anything. I plan to be far away from the city. You better have a place way out in the sticks, enough supplies for four years, your guns precious metal, and no debt. I will not be found by the Almighty with that chip in me. There is something far more important to me than the governments "stamp of approval". We have two years. Laugh if you want, but it's coming.
 
There's something in the water isn't there? :confused:

BTW Buckster, you might wanna re-read Revelations before you throw the whole "mark" thing around. PM me if you wanna know why i say that. I'm not gonna get the thread closed down over a religious debate. Allthough, I'm sure it'll get closed down in a few days anyway. :eek:
 
The federal ID card will be you state drivers liscense which will meet federal standards.

Actually a little more than that.
http://www.nhpr.org/node/10534

Last year, Congress passed the Real ID Act in an effort to curb terrorism.

That means by May 2008 all states must issue drivers licenses and ids that meet tougher federal standards laid out by the Department of Homeland Security.

Information on a 'Real ID' would include a person's full name, date of birth, home address, physical features and arguably the most controversial aspect, some sort of bar or chip that can be read or scanned, much like a credit card.

All of that personal information would be stored on a database to be shared nationwide.

Republican Representative Neal Kurk ushered the measure to bar the state from adopting Real ID through the House last month.

He told the Senate Committee the new federal plan won't enhance national security at all.

:55 ... Remember the 9/11 terrorirsts were in this country legally and had legally obtained documents. The real id system will enhance government control and citizens will suffer. Perhaps that is why the Real ID Act is opposed by the Naitonal Governor's Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures, the National Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, the conservative Cato Institute and the liberal ACLU.

Indeed, traditional political opponents find themselves on the same side of this issue.

Whether Republican, Libertarian or Democrat much of the criticism centered on privacy.
badbob
 
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