Who's recommending the light triggers?

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Since the dawn of semiauto pistols, there have been two kinds of triggers: DA/SA and locked SA (Walther P-38 and 1911). Your choice was a 10 or more lbs. trigger or a light 5 lbs. trigger blocked by a seperate safety.

More recently, Glock stumbled on the scene and offered a 5.5 lbs trigger that was long and had stages to require a deliberate pull despite a lower weight and no external safety. Daewoo followed with a Browning derived "fast fire" trigger that also offered a long light pull. The Glock was well liked, though many didn't adapt well from 10lbs. DA to 5.5 lbs. and shot themselves and others.

This was addressed with training.

Shortly after G17 production, Glock saw that many shooters only kill paper and produced a competition model, the 17L. This featured a changed connector that lowered the sear break weight by several pounds. The part only came on comp models and was unavailable from Glock aftermarket.

Glocks are easy to fiddle with. All of a sudden people are installing these comp triggers on carry guns. Inspired by the Glock lovers creed of absolute trigger control, other striker fired weapon owners began carrying their weapons in light trigger settings.

The question is; who told them it was a good idea?

Glock doesn't suggest you lower the trigger weight.

Some experts recommend raising it (NY Trigger).

So who is the firearms expert, trainer, training facility, Police department or military group that inspires thousands of private gun owners to modify and lighten the trigger design of their pistols and practice unheard of gun handling techniques?

I would appreciate a name and possibly citation or contact info. Gunrag writer is not a qualification.
 
Im not an expert nor writer. I like nice triggers...not exactly that light. Smooth, short and consistant pull is what I look for. I dont see an inherent advantage for just a "light trigger". I like to feel what its doing...all of my guns give me this..even my Kahr.

Stupid but accurate analogy. 1973 Ford power steering is so easy to turn the wheel it takes away all of the "feel" or feedback you get from the road. I like steering that allows me to feel the road......much like my triggers. I like the feedback I get from them.

Shoot well
 
Who Told Em It Was A Good Idea?

The same guy that told 1911 owners to lower trigger pull to 3lbs and carry it cocked and locked! ;)
 
I believe that would be me. :)

Actually I never told anyone else to do it, but I do have light connectors in my Glocks using special triggers that remove the take up. I also have removed the mag disconnector from my Browning HP's and I like light, crisp trigger pulls. I have even had a 1911 with a pinned grip safety. 39 years of shooting, carrying for 25 years, no AD's, no ND's. The best safety is the one between your ears and I recommend that you use it to keep your finger off the trigger.
 
The stock 5.5lb trigger on the Glock is very seldom 5.5lbs. Its more like 6lbs. A 3.5lb connector will only bring the trigger weight down to 5lbs or so. This is in the range of a factory 1911 trigger pull. I have never seen nor handled a Glock with less than a 4.5lb trigger pull regardless of what has been modified. I am sure that some gunsmiths can do it but I have yet to handle or shoot one. The Cominolli trigger and CGR tuned connector will only bring the pull down to 4.5Lbs approx. It is a smoother pull however. If this pull weight is too lite for ones taste then stay with stock or go with the NY spring/connector to increase the pull weight.
 
Maybe I wasn't clear. Before the Glock there was no pistol designed to be carried with that light a trigger and no safety. Does anyone know of a legitamate source that recommends lowering the trigger weight even more?

(This situation does not compare to the BHP or 1911 whose light triggers are kept blocked by a manual safety.)
 
I guess if you got a 1911 with a 7 lb factory trigger you would have to leave it alone? This post is turning into a peeing contest and I for one have better things to do. I therefore bow to the "expert". You have my permission to have, maintain and thrive upon crappy trigger pulls.
 
Your critical reading skills leave much to be desired. I have stated at length that my question regards weapons whose only external safety mechanism involves the trigger. How can I make this any clearer?

If you can't devise a logical response to a straight forward question, by all means, leave it to someone else. This thread hasn't degenerated, it hasn't even started if no one has responded to the question at hand.
 
Handy,

I understand your question. I don't have an answer for you, but I can tell you that I put a 3.5lb connector in my personal carry G26 without any cop or other 'expert' recommending I do so. I did it on my own prompting and behalf. I wasn't thrilled with the factory trigger and if there are aftermarket parts available to me to make the trigger more to my tastes, then I'm all for it. I don't see any liability issues or extra hazard in what I have done.

Where are you going with this, if I may ask?
 
I think where he's going with it is thus. You can have a reasonably light trigger pull in an SA auto because you have the thumb safety. However, striker-DAO guns don't have manual safeties (well, my Steyr does;) ), so a heavier pull is necessary for safety reasons. His reasoning seems to be that lowering the pull weight in a striker auto down to 3.5lbs is dangerous and/or stupid, so if people are doing it, it must be because some perceived authority figure told them it was OK, or even a good idea.
 
Would any of you responsible types carry a Sig or Beretta with the hammer cocked?

Their SA trigger pull weight is, if anything, higher than the target connector Glock trigger.


Why or why not?
 
Handy
This must be my last thread, as I do have a life. You seem thin skinned as I have found many self appointed experts with not enough to do. A little about myself. I am a certified NRA pistol and rifle instructor. I don't know if that qualifies me, in your eyes, to make decisions about the trigger pulls on my guns considering my poor understanding of gun terms. Let me inform you that to even take the NRA certified courses you have to pass a test that covers guns AND gun terminology. So YOUR sarcasm is wasted on me as I know my qualifications and capabilities. Oh, I'm also a master in USPSA and IDPA. Feel free to trash this thread.
 
The only sarcasm I came across was when you decided not to clarify a statement when I asked. The sarcasm was yours.

Please follow the Ducks reasoning here: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1061011#post1061011

I am not thin skinned. Nor have I claimed to be an expert. I do have a detailed understanding of the pistol mechanisms under discussion and the 4 conditions an auto can be carried in. My questions and rebuttals are logical in basis. The questions remain:

1. What is the minimum safe trigger pull for weapons with no other safety than the trigger?

2. How was this number arrived at and by whom?

3. Why was the designed trigger unacceptable for use on a defense pistol?


The reason these may be important questions is because similar questions for other weapons do have some historically agreed upon answers. After 90 years of 1911 experimentation, 4lbs. is the usual industry minimum for a defense pistol. 1.5 to 2 lbs. is what I recall a bullseye minimum is, due to sear bounce. You can get those numbers from Kuhnhausen, Wilson, Baer, Clark, etc. Who's writting the new book on Glock mods? Home hobbyists?
 
Now I get it!!!!!
This is a 1911 vs. Glock (lets bash the Glock) thread in disguise!!!
If you are not comfortable carrying a Glock or a C-n-L 1911, then don't, but I don't feel the need to justify how I carry my pistols to you.
 
If you don't want to answer the question, don't. You didn't have to write to say that.

Obviously this isn't any for or against debate. Do people just not read?

I have a Glock I'll carry. I have a 1911 I wouldn't. I carry a P7.
 
I think this thread has gone on far enough.
Handy, I think you need to chill down a few degrees. You have repeatedly insulted everyone in this thread.

BTW light triggers in Glocks are for the competition shooters and are not recommended for carry guns. Competitors have been disabling safeties and lightening triggers since 1911… or even before. Gunfighters used to alter guns back in the “Wild West” days.

Your anger is very puzzling. This thread is CLOSED.
 
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