Whoo HOOO Arizonians Defending their Rights!!!

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FEATURE-Arizonans fed up with illegal Mexican migration


Updated 10:15 AM ET May 16, 2000
By Adolfo Garza
DOUGLAS, Arizona (Reuters) - Some residents of southern Arizona, fed up with the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico, plan to keep on taking matters into their own hands, saying the U.S. Border Patrol is not doing its job.

Tension has risen along the Arizona-Mexico border in recent weeks as Cochise County ranchers step up a campaign of making citizens' arrests of immigrants who trespass on their land. Mexico accuses them of hunting down Mexicans like dogs.

Over the weekend, a group calling itself the Concerned Citizens of Cochise County and the California-based American Patrol, a citizens' group that also seeks to stop illegal immigration, announced plans for a "Shadow Border Patrol" that would "keep track" of the U.S. Border Patrol's actions.

Roger Barnett, a Cochise rancher who has participated in illegal immigrant roundups, said there were no other options. "It's just out of control," he said in an interview. "The U.S. government is not protecting its citizens."

He said illegal immigrants who cross his ranch leave behind a trail of trash, clothes and blankets, and some defecate on his property. "They're a bunch of hoodlums," he said.

CONCERNS IN GOVERNMENT

But the actions of the Arizona vigilantes are stirring up unease in official circles, where their anti-immigrant message has provoked fears of possible violence and human rights abuses against undocumented aliens.

"The situation is causing concerns at all levels of government," Miguel Escobar, the Mexican consul in the sleepy border town of Douglas, told Reuters. "There is an element of danger and these incidents could lead to acts of violence."

Last Friday, Foreign Minister Rosario Green told reporters in Mexico City that Mexico would raise the issue at meetings with American officials. "The issue of the Mexicans and the Arizona ranchers is seen, without a doubt, as a red alert that could generate a relatively tense situation," she said.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Border Patrol announced this week it was deploying an additional 250 immigration officers along Arizona's conflicted border, local media reported.

The complexity of the situation is best illustrated by the strong disagreements among local, state and federal U.S. officials over how to deal with the vigilantes.

Douglas Mayor Ray Borane, calling the ranchers' treatment of illegal immigrants "inhumane," said the federal government must "become involved at a higher level than the Border Patrol. I am very disappointed in the government, they insist on the Border Patrol dealing with it."

UP TO, BUT NOT INCLUDING, DEADLY FORCE

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever attended the weekend meeting of anti-immigrant advocates and asked them to stay within the law when making citizens' arrests. He said private citizens arresting trespassers on their property can use any means "up to and including the threat of deadly force, but not the use of deadly force."

The U.S. Attorney's Office has been working "very, very hard" to determine whether any acts by the Cochise County Concerned Citizens may constitute a federal civil rights offense, spokeswoman Cathy Colbert said.

Such cases are extremely hard to prosecute because in most cases the only witnesses are the undocumented aliens themselves, who are usually unwilling to testify in court because of their illegal status in the United States.

Barnett and other ranchers are unbending. "I am being threatened by the government of Mexico for protecting my property," he said.

Rather than complain about the actions of the ranchers, Mexico should provide jobs and welfare for its citizens, he added. "Mexico is the biggest abuser of its citizens there is," he said, and the U.S. government should stop "listening to a Third World narco-dictatorship."

Barnett said he would not stop rounding up illegal immigrants. "It's my property and I can do what I want."



~USP

[This message has been edited by USP45 (edited May 16, 2000).]
 
Interestipating indeed. The American ranchers may have violated the civil rights of the Mexican citizens that were arrested.

What civil rights ? The illegal alien is arrested during the comission of a crime. The aliens have put themselves at risk by violating our border.

I have no bone to pick with Mexicans who wish to enter legaly, either to visit or to become Americans. Not all of my family made it to America, but the ones who did, used the legal process and became flag toten Americans.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
It is the rural western american who will bring the government abuses to a head. They live by the old code. One of honor. One where they are not affraid to punch someone in the nose if that nose is stuck into their business. I also include into this group the Southern farmers and ranchers.

Take a look at Elko Nevada. They are fighting back.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
"...anti immigrant vigilantes..."?

Reuters is quite biased. I guess that phrase fit their style sheet while the phrase "anti illegal immigrant patrols" was just too cumbersome, both stylistically and politically.

Being from Phx, I would just as soon see the Mexicans welcomed under work visas so we could end this militarization of the border.

Of course, for that to happen we have to end the drug war that feeds on it and convince Mexico to abandon the socialism that is causing its people to flee.

Rick
 
Let's see, illegal aliens invade the US border and private property and the government is only concerned with the illegal aliens' rights!?

What does this smell like to you?

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
Douglas Mayor Ray Borane, calling the ranchers' treatment of illegal immigrants "inhumane," said the federal government must "become involved at a higher level than the Border Patrol.

Yeah, let's get the Federales involved. GOOD idea! :rolleyes:
 
I dont understand what the problem is? Am I dense or something??? There are people trespassing on private property while illegally entering the USA. Not only are they trespassing, but quite probaly also vandalizing the property. Last I heard the owner has every right to protect his property. By the sounds of the article I read these ranchers were holding the illegals at gunpoint till the INS/Border patrol arrived. I dont see how this is in violation of their human rights. Unless the ranchers are executing or torturing them or something they are doing the exact same thing the INS/Border Patrol/ Sherrifs Dept would do to a criminal. Maybe the problem is that the ranchers are more effective than the Gov. Agencies and the Mexican Gov cant reap the benefits of illegals working here and sending $$ home for the rest of the families. If we actually stopped the illegals from working here and shipping $$ out of the country the Mexican Gov. would actually have to provide some services for their citizens. Couldn't have that now could we???

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
TAZ, the problem is that the people are doing this without gummint permission or approval, thus telling the gummint that they are, in fact, useless and unnecessary. Can't have that, now, can we?
 
So what's wrong with poppin' these SOB's? Long range rifle fire to the edge of the ranchers property should be practiced. They are trespassers and no one knows they exist. They are worthless s**t and are flooding our already overcrowded country. These people would just "disappear" if these ranchers were to do this. Maybe word would get back to the other worthless s**t in their native country to not try this anymore! In a hurry so I typed this fast.

Joel
 
Sooner or later the ranchers will use the "SSS" program.

"Shoot, shovel and shut up..."

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So what's wrong with poppin' these SOB's?[/quote]

Ummm... Because that would be murder? :rolleyes:

The remedy has to be proportional to the problem. Trespassing and littering aren't the sort of crimes that justify a lethal response.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>They are worthless s**t and are flooding our already overcrowded country.[/quote]

No, they're human beings and they're coming (for the most part) to work. These "worthless" Mexicans do much of the agricultural work that keeps America fed.
 
Looks like the ranchers are already getting what they want, with just a little personal action:

"the U.S. Border Patrol announced this week it was deploying an additional 250 immigration officers along Arizona's conflicted border, local media reported"


Ps- If we didn't have illegal immigrants picking cabbage, then someone else would. The fact that they do it cheap is no reason to condone them coming here illegally and being hired illegally, and working without paying taxes, but still sucking off our health and welfare system for free.
I will pay a few cents more for vegetables and have someone pick it legally, thank you.
 
How about a non-governmental solution to this problem?
1. Get all landowners with land along the border from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA to sell (probably could get most of it donated)a 100 yard strip to the "Southern Border Gun Club"(SBGC).
2. The SBGC could post bilingual signs ever 100 yards or so stating "CAUTION: NO TRESSPASSING - This is a private gun club and firearms are in use by it's members on a 24 hour, 7 day/week basis".
3. Sell memberships for about $5.00/year. This money (probably running in the millions just from Texas) could be used to refurbish the signs and clear the SBGC range of brush and keep it litter free.

I would pay my $5.00 to be member #000000001.

Matt - Move to TX, NM, AZ or CA and I think you might get a little closer and clearer outlook on this situation/pending disaster.

RKBA!
 
This is becoming a large problem in texas,
as you may know central texas (austin)is
experiencing a building boom and large
amounts of illegals are hired to do this
work,after an increase in crime one local
sheriff called the INS and was told they
could not do anything at this time until
the census was completed.??
Yes, I agree most are just people looking
for work, and in the past most were good
people however there now seems to be a
"crime prone" element that is giving all
a bad rap. I think the trend will get worse
and at present land owners on the border and
perhaps 50miles north, in remote areas are having problems.

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[This message has been edited by bullet44 (edited May 17, 2000).]
 
Joel,

I hope that's a joke. If it is, it's in the worst possible taste. If it's not, you need some serious therapy before you practice what you preach.

Either way, I wouldn't shoot at the same range you do.



[This message has been edited by Munro Williams (edited May 17, 2000).]
 
Westex,

You're right; I would have a better appreciation of the problem if I lived closer to the border. If I had illegal aliens tramping acrossing my property on a regular basis, I'd probably be tempted to take drastic measures myself.

I also don't think that illegal immigration is OK just because it saves us a few bucks at the grocery store. It's a screwed up situation: the feds don't want to let the migrants in legally but they don't make a serious effort to control the border, either.
 
What about the armed invasion of US borders by mexican police and shooting at border patrolmen? Isn't it the responsibility of the US government to protect the border form invasions of any kind? Time for the Rangers again (both the Texas and Arizona). The only thing the federal government is good for is to take your money produce more regulations.
 
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