Who thinks they can help a gun newbie? Looking for good handgun...

Tuff

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I've fired guns before, but never studied them or name brands, and gotten into them in that type of detail. What I would liek to get is a good handgun with good stoppign power, like a 45, and minimal kickback and loudness. Also looking for one of those red laser pointers, like Danny Glover used of and on in Lethal Weapon series...
I don't know what gun might have all that in one, so what gun individually might be the best for quietness, best for less kickback, best for stopping, and so on. Finally, what might you recommend? Thanks
 
Glock 21 .45ACP

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Minor caliber my arse, 9mm rules the roost!!!!
 
What I would suggest is that you go to a range that rents handguns and try as many as you can. Someone may recommend a specific firearm that they like, but you may end up not liking it at all. That way you'll know how much recoil you can tolerate and the noise levels of different firearms. You'll eventually come across one that will feel comfortable and accurate. Don't rule out revolvers either. I usually recommend a revolver in either 38 special or .357 magnum with a 4 inch barrel as a good starting point. You can shoot the 38s to get a feel for it and upgrade to magnum loads for defensive purposes. But again the ultimate decision is yours. Good luck on your search. Mark / FL
 
Tuff,
I second what Mark King suggested.

BTW I see that this is your first post,
so Welcome to TFL. :)

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Quietness: .22 Short.
Recoil: .22 Short.
Effectiveness: .50BMG.
Laser: Why? I surely hope it's not simply because you saw some yo-yo use one in a movie.

Synopsis: As Mark King said, try a bunch of different guns. In my classes, we let our students shoot everything from a .22 revolver to AR-15s to 12-gauge shotguns, so they can see what they like best. So it is with all gun-related issues:

Use what works best for YOU.
 
Welcome to TFL!
I'm also new to guns and don't have much to suggest but I don't think you could find your specific in one handgun. Though I'd be interested to know if there is one.

As Marl suggested try also the revolvers. I started with pistol but seeing the advantages of having a wheel gun I bought one last Monday. Can't wait to bring it home.

vega
 
My friend Mylhouse knows what I'm going to recommend: A Sig-Sauer P220A in .45ACP. It's
probably one of the best, if not the best
self-defense weapon out there. It differ's
from the polymer frame Glock, in that it has
an exposed hammer with a decocking feature;
along with three passive safties, none of which you will have to tinker with!!! :)

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Lasers are cool toys- but you should really practice using your iron sights, first and foremost.

Anyhow, if you go with an automatic (Revolvers are a real good starting point like Mark said)- but if thats not what you want, you can go with a Glock and get a Lasermax unit that replaces the guide rod (no external pieces)- the switch doubles as the take down lever. They are fairly expensive though- hey, you asked for Laser devices.

Revolvers wise- I like the Ruger GP100.
Autos- I would go with a Glock, Sig Sauer, Heckler & Koch, CZ (very reasonable), this is just a few of many.
 
Buy a bagload of magazines like Combat Handguns, American Handgunner, etc. and some "buyers' guides" like The Complete Book Of Autopistols. Read what the testers have to say, that will help narrow your choices, but remember that your own opinion may be different when you've tried the guns yourself. Also remember that it's hard to find a negative review. That's partly because the mags don't review El Cheapo brands, and I suspect it may be partly reluctance to slam a product advertised in the magazine.

Based on the needs you posted, I think you should check out .40 S&Ws, .45 ACPs and .357 SIG autopsitols, or if you're into revolvers there's the .357 magnum, .41 magnum, .44 special and .45 long colt. Any one of these will stop a bad guy if the shot is competently placed. Remember that a .22 through the eye socket into the brain is more effective than a .44 magnum that misses.

The magnums and .357 SIGs are going to kick a bit and make a loud bang, but their effectiveness on target is somewhat proportional. As suggested, go to a range with rentals. Try a variety and (my personal philosophy) select the hardest-hitting caliber that you can control comfortably. Comfortable control is when you can fire deliberate shots about a second apart and keep the weapon on target.

As for a laser, they can be added in one of three ways. A pistol with an accessory rail can be fitted with a laser hanging under the muzzle, though this makes it hard to find a holster. Crimson Trace makes its LaserGrips for many guns, they don't interfere with standard holsters. Nor does the LaserMax, which replaces the guide rod on autopistols.

You don't say whether you need something for concealed carry or only for a home gun. If it's for CCW, it will help to pick something smaller; if for home only, a bigger frame will help with the recoil a bit.

You also need to consider action types. Single action, double action (with safety and/or decocker), double action only, or "safe" action (Glocks). The simplest to operate are DAOs and Glocks. Minimal number of external controls, just point and squeeze. Single actions Colt 1911s and clones) have very light triggers. This makes it easier to hold on target as you squeeze, but you need to be well trained in the manual of arms since the light trigger makes it easier for an untrained person to cause an unintended bang.

Do NOT accept it when someone tells you "Brand X is the one and only gun, all others are crap". Like with cars, brand loyalty is strong among shooters. If someone gives you a strong recommendation, you can check it out, but make sure you get what works well for you.

Hope these thoughts help, Tuff, and be sure to let us know what you selected (so we all can second-guess you and say "You shoulda bought the Combat Bozomatic 99,000.")
 
A 4" Medium Frame Revolver.

A .38/357Mag Revolver lacks some of the glamour that the Auto's have, but if you talk to people who shoot a lot you will be hard pressed to find anyone that suggests it is a poor choice.
You can taylor that ammo to your personal preferences without regard to firearm functioning.

Another advantage is that you usually get more quality per dollar spent when buying Revolvers.

[I have a number of firearms both revolver and auto, centrefire and rimfire. I pistol that I would be least likely to sell would be my 4" S&W model 65 (Stainless steel,fixed sights,6 shot, medium frame)]

However in addition:
I would like to suggest that you buy a couple of guns if you can.

A .22LR and a centrefire revolver.

.22's are far and away the best way practise and identify shooting faults.
Cheap to run easy on you, the gun,the target,the range, your wallet, and a heap of fun.

Have fun......
 
If you Want a house gun:

First I would suggest a Glock 17 which is a full sized 9mm. I suggest the 9mm over the .45acp because it is cheaper to practice with (you need to practice a lot) and the recoil is minimal so you can develop good shooting skills quicker. The 9mm with a 124 grain +P jacketed hollow point will be very effective.

If you must have a .45 acp then as was suggested by Denfoote go with the Glock 21 which is a fullsize .45acp pistol. Kick isn't really much in this pistol either.

If you plan to carry concealed (With a permit):

Then I would suggest the Glock 26 which is a subcompact 9mm or the Glock 30 which is a compact .45acp. The Glock 30 is a good deal larger than the Glock 26 but smaller than a full sized Glock 21. I own a Glock 26 and it is very easy to conceal.

Look here www.glock.com and www.glocktalk.com

I'm not saying that other pistols are bad, just that the Glock is the most durable and easily shot pistol that I have ever seen. If you don't choose a Glock you might want to look at a Heckler and Koch, a Kel-Tec P11 (a very good low cost pistol), or a Sig Arms.
 
Tuff, Welcome.
Ton of good advice above. I suggest that you handle as many as possible before buying your own. Rent, borrow or whatever. Also latch onto an experienced shooter or take a course. Learn the safety procedures first, the individual weapons next; and make your purchase decision an informed one.

Sam....My favorite 9mm is the 9X32
 
I would suggest the Glock 30 as well. I carry it daily and it's one sweet pistol. I've read and been told it is actually more accurate then the Glock 21 but I don't know why.
Stopping power is great and in the G30 you can carry 11rds with one in the pipe.

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no guns come with lasers on them. you buy them seperately and install them on the gun. IMO lasers aren't a good idea for defense. you have to wait till you find the little dot and get it on the target which takes to long in most situations. most confrontations will happen up close where you just draw and fire anyway.

if you really want a .45 with little recoil get a Glock 21 or 30. but i think a 9mm is better if its your first pistols.
 
First handgun? If centerfire, a M19 or M66 in .357 and can shoot .38 also.

Simplicity, accuracy, economy.
 
Tuff,

First, welocme!

Second, I join the group that recommends you start your "handgunning education" with a high quality revolver, and then move onto semiautomatics after you gain proficiency and greater knowledge.

A wonderful, all-around first handgun is the four-inch, stainless, Ruger GP-100 or Smith 686. Select the one that feels best/most comfortable for you (ergonomics, hand-fit, sight picture and pointing, trigger pull, etc.). Both the GP-100 and the 686 are very high quality, very accurate, and very durable/reliable revolvers. In addition, you will be able to employ the exceptionally wide-range of .38 Special and .357 magnum rounds.

I am not "knocking" autoloaders here -- heaven knows I own more than a few -- but I really believe an excellent, multi-use revolver is the best way to get started. The price is also likely to be a better value.

Many highly experienced, superb handgunners swear by these revolvers -- you will not go wrong with either.
 
If you must go with an auto, I recommend Beretta. If your state allows carry, the Beretta Cougar 8045 is a 45 like you wanted and it is a more compact frame than the full sized. The laser sight that replaces the guide rod is available for Berettas as well as Glocks. (I am not cutting down Glock as I own a G22 as qwell as a Beretta 8040) The Beretta has an external decocker/safety which I recommend if you are not yet too familliar with firearms. Otherwise, welcome to TFL and let us know what you choose!
 
I recently found myself in the same position of deciding on a first handgun(I have a background in shotguns). I rented/borrowed several, including Glocks and an S&W auto. I found out I LOVE 1911 style autos. Hopefully, will be ordering a Springfield later this week. Now I will say the 1911 is not the best "beginers gun". However, nothing else fit my hand as well. Plus I plan to start IPSC next month, and the 1911 dominates this type of competition.

I would take a look at revolvers though, a 4" .357 is probably one of the most versitale guns out there.
 
I'm going to second, third or fifth the Ruger GP100.

For a beginner, you can't beat a revolver for simplicity.

You don't have to worry about whether you should drop the magazine, then cycle the slide or vis versa.

As far as the reload advantage, I figure that if you do your part and centre the critter with six 125 JHPs' and then discover the need to speed reload--you ought to be legging it down the street instead of reloading. IMNSHO.

You have one trigger pull everytime or you can thumb cock it for the extra accuracy--your choice.

You can run anything in .38 Special or .357 Mag through a revolver, from shotshells to 125 personal defense loads to 180 hunting loads with no fear of the weapon not cycling.

Just my .02 worth. :)

LawDog
 
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