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Uncle Buck

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I have what appears to be a Model 1851 Navy, Cap and Ball revolver. It is in extremely poor condition and will never be fired again. The brass frame is stretched so that when the pistol is put together (I took it apart to clean it) the barrel assembly has a lot of play in it. There are three screws on the side of the frame, and looks just as in the picture I saw located in the Blue Book of Gun Values, 13th edition, page 46.

Anyway, the only markings I can find are:

One the bottom of the grip: Italy and what appears to be an EG inside of a double circle with a line going through side to side and top to bottom. and what appears to be part of a proof mark BN I believe. Italy ((EG)) BA

The hand-grip is one piece, with a slot cut in it so it will accept the brass strip and attach to the pistol.

On the loading lever is the number 53.

On the bottom of the pistol, where it attaches to the brass frame is the number, which I believe is the serial number: 33186

The cylinder is marked with Italian Proof Marks.

The brass frame has three marks on it: Two Italian proof marks and the number XXV (I believe the number means manufactured in 1969)


I believe it is .36 caliber (My dial calipers show the bore to be .359")

This gun has no shooting value and is dirtier than a coal miners cheek. I bought it from a lady who found it in a box from an estate auction.

I have no way of posting pictures, but any help would be greatly appreciated. I paid $80.00 for it and intend to make it a wall hanger.
 
Not Pietta or Uberti. There were a lot of small gun makers turning out repros during the time period that are now gone. EG is the manufacturers stamp but I don't know who's it is but it's not one of the more common ones.
 
look under the barell! from what u discribed it sound like an 1851 navy that i have(only mine is in good condition and perfectly shootable) mine is an ASM built in early 90s! stands for ARMY SAN MARCO! there is also ASP ARMY SAN PAOLO! both makers are out of buisness now,but i think ASM is owned by euro arms now if im not mistaken. but check under the loading lever on the bottom side of the barell and see if theres not an ASM or ASP under there! Ill bet there is. Hope this helps some.
 
1969 is correct....
I think it may be Enrico Grassi ( one of the founders of ARMY SAN PAOLO and one of the G's in DGG for Grassi, Doninelli & Gazzola
ARMY SAN PAOLO became part Euro-Arms in 2001 (not Army San Marco)
ARMY SAN PAOLO used DGG in a circle and began production in 1970.


Uberti has used the same stamp since 1959 a Capital U in octagon shape
Pietta uses a diamond with FAP within.
Pedersoli uses lower case dp in an oval. (there are 2 earlier symbols however)
Palmetto a palm tree in a circle.
and AC in circle is Armi Chiappa

So those are out....

Gardone VT will have two Proof Marks - a Star over PN since 1950 - and an a Star over a Hammer & Anvil for Gardone & Bresica ( a BP proof ) black powder arms will have both marks.
 
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Under the patina of rust on the barrel, I have also found EIG NAVY, along with what is mentioned in my original post, that is it for the markings.

I will have to break down and get the Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms and do a little more research. So I know it was made by EIG Italy and now I am curious about the company. Another reference manual will never hurt anyone. :D

Pvt. Long: The deflection of the barrel is .030", I can rock the barrel back and forth. The bar which holds the cylinder can be screwed in a little more, but then the wedge will not line up and I can not secure the barrel to the rest of the gun.

I have never owned a black powder handgun before (although I have shot a few) and believe this is what they are talking about when people mention the brass frame stretching. I do not know what is considered dangerous when it comes to frame stretch, but do not want to fool around with something like this.

Thanks for everyone's help with this.
 
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