Who are today's Nazis?
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And, as I'm sure you recall, it was done as an excuse to crack down on the evil communists.Keiller TN
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Great article Libertarian.
It would be nice if American students knew this.
It would be nice if American students knew this.
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Curt, Most local cops, many state and even a few federal cops are not JBTs. I reserve that moniker for BATF, DEA, IRS and most FBI and SWAT. I have lots of cop friends and almost all of them agree with me on that grouping. Most cops (the ones I choose to associate with) are just regular guys and gals trying to do the right thing and get home in one piece at the end of the day. When we have spoken about SWAT or the federal TLAs they are usually more durogatory than anyone here has ever been.
As the article pointed out, the local police sided with the people, while the SS and SA took over the country. How many more crimes need to be federalized before local cops are redundant? About all that is left is jay walking and over-due library books.
As the article pointed out, the local police sided with the people, while the SS and SA took over the country. How many more crimes need to be federalized before local cops are redundant? About all that is left is jay walking and over-due library books.
There are several misspellings of German words in that article, so be careful about quoting it.
The most recent studies have concluded that it was most likely the guy who was convicted who burned the Reichstag, a disturbed Dutch Communist. The Nazis certainly used it to their advantage. It's important to remember that both the Nazis and the most virulent opponents, the Communists, were both big liars about one another, and some of those lies are still around.
The most recent studies have concluded that it was most likely the guy who was convicted who burned the Reichstag, a disturbed Dutch Communist. The Nazis certainly used it to their advantage. It's important to remember that both the Nazis and the most virulent opponents, the Communists, were both big liars about one another, and some of those lies are still around.
Keiller, I sure hope American students aren't taught that the Reichstag was blown up. Sorry, but a basic mistake like that makes me distrustful of the other information which I don't otherwise know is true. If someone knows the book this person mis-remembered his history from then I'll try to get a chance to read it instead of judging the material from someone's letter-to-the-editor.
RHC, I'd be interested in hearing about the more recent studies.
RHC, I'd be interested in hearing about the more recent studies.
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I am no expert on this subject but have read about it before. I think Gene Edward Veith wrote a book on this subject, but don't know the title. He is a man of character and articulate as well.
I am no expert on this subject but have read about it before. I think Gene Edward Veith wrote a book on this subject, but don't know the title. He is a man of character and articulate as well.
Folkbabe, you're right about the Reichstag fire. But notice that none of his other information is derived from the idea that the building is blown up--it makes the same sense whether it was blown up or burned. Therefore it is entirely possible that all the other information is correct, though I can't prove it one way or the other, and he simply misspoke.
And yes, if the Reichstag fire were faked (I've never heard of the scholars who say it wasn't either) then it was certainly done to stir up anger at Communists so as to aid the Nazis. That does not in any way discredit the author's point that the modern left resembles the Nazi party of old more than the right or the libertarian movement. The Nazis certainly were Socialists in the sense that they believed in central concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the state. Their opposition to Communists was mostly a matter of looking good to their followers, who hated Communists and Soviets, and of sticking it to the U.S.S.R. at every opportunity. The many Socialist governments of Great Britain over the years also denounced Soviet Communism and even played the Cold War game, but that didn't make them any less Socialist.
The point the man is trying to make is that the Nazis would applaud a lot of things the left wing of American politics considers its bread and butter. Abortion as birth control, disarming the population, active suppression of religion, political indoctrination in schools, the gradual movement to disregard the rule of law in favor of letting elite politicians bend, then twist, and finally destroy the rules and laws so carefully laid out in a written Constitution, warrants being served by assaulting homes as if they were military targets, random stops of travelers to check registrations and search for contraband substances, the changing of election rules after the end of the election in an effort to be sure the "right" candidate wins, using the power of the federal government to investigate, harass, defame and sometimes ruin political opponents, and the treatment of the written Constitution which is supposed to be the explicit and unchallenged law of the land as "a living, breathing document" which is open to "interpretation."
Republicans do these things too, at least some of them. That doesn't mean they aren't despicable, and it doesn't let the left off the hook. And no one has managed to provide one example of George Bush's "Nazi" characteristics, or those of his campaign.
And yes, if the Reichstag fire were faked (I've never heard of the scholars who say it wasn't either) then it was certainly done to stir up anger at Communists so as to aid the Nazis. That does not in any way discredit the author's point that the modern left resembles the Nazi party of old more than the right or the libertarian movement. The Nazis certainly were Socialists in the sense that they believed in central concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the state. Their opposition to Communists was mostly a matter of looking good to their followers, who hated Communists and Soviets, and of sticking it to the U.S.S.R. at every opportunity. The many Socialist governments of Great Britain over the years also denounced Soviet Communism and even played the Cold War game, but that didn't make them any less Socialist.
The point the man is trying to make is that the Nazis would applaud a lot of things the left wing of American politics considers its bread and butter. Abortion as birth control, disarming the population, active suppression of religion, political indoctrination in schools, the gradual movement to disregard the rule of law in favor of letting elite politicians bend, then twist, and finally destroy the rules and laws so carefully laid out in a written Constitution, warrants being served by assaulting homes as if they were military targets, random stops of travelers to check registrations and search for contraband substances, the changing of election rules after the end of the election in an effort to be sure the "right" candidate wins, using the power of the federal government to investigate, harass, defame and sometimes ruin political opponents, and the treatment of the written Constitution which is supposed to be the explicit and unchallenged law of the land as "a living, breathing document" which is open to "interpretation."
Republicans do these things too, at least some of them. That doesn't mean they aren't despicable, and it doesn't let the left off the hook. And no one has managed to provide one example of George Bush's "Nazi" characteristics, or those of his campaign.
The essay I was thinking of when I first wrote my reply above was "The Reichstag Fire and its Political Consequences" by Hans Mommsen, printed in Hajo Holborn, editor, "Republic to Reich: the Making of the Nazi Revolution," Pantheon books (Random House), 1972, translated by Ralph Mannheim. He concludes that the most likely scenario is that Van der Lubbe did it himself, but that so much information was forged both by the Nazis and by the Communists that it is difficult to be sure.
The book most used by colleges to teach this subject is "Hitler and Nazi Germany: a history" by Jackson Spielvogel, from Prentice Hall. Here's what he says on page 71:
"The convenience of this opportunity has led many historians to conclude that the Nazis set the fire. Other historians have claimed that van der Lubbe acted by himself. The problem has never been resolved."
And from "Inside Hitler's Germany" edited by Sax and Kuntz, page 134:
"The cause of the fire remains a mystery even now..."
The most complete book on the fire is somewhat older, "The Reichstag Fire" by Fritz Tobias, 1963, which I have not read.
I think the Nazis have been blamed for the fire mostly because it was they who benefited, under the cui bono principle.
The book most used by colleges to teach this subject is "Hitler and Nazi Germany: a history" by Jackson Spielvogel, from Prentice Hall. Here's what he says on page 71:
"The convenience of this opportunity has led many historians to conclude that the Nazis set the fire. Other historians have claimed that van der Lubbe acted by himself. The problem has never been resolved."
And from "Inside Hitler's Germany" edited by Sax and Kuntz, page 134:
"The cause of the fire remains a mystery even now..."
The most complete book on the fire is somewhat older, "The Reichstag Fire" by Fritz Tobias, 1963, which I have not read.
I think the Nazis have been blamed for the fire mostly because it was they who benefited, under the cui bono principle.
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Brothers & Sisters,
Mssr. Veith's book is: Modern Fascism: Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview. 1993. BrightLight Books.
There was a sign in the movie EASY RIDER: If GOD did not exist, man would seek to create him.
Psyops is not just for military use. When you want sympathy you offer up a weak victim. When you want a rally you provide a rallying point. When you want a war - you provide an enemy.
As others have noted, each word of quotation must be adhered to and not paraphrased or alluded to in an "as if" connotation. Neil Armstrong said "That's one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind." That is history. Mis-quoting the words make the event no less spectacular, but the derision is unacceptable. Soon the acceptance of a mis-belief becomes the belief. Re-read 1984.
"We hold these truths to be self evident..."
Unfortunately we can fail to remember.
There's a trite saying that goes:
"When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's kind of hard to remember that your primary objective was just to drain the swamp."
We should remind ourselves often that the flag is the symbol, it is the BEING that is the way of life.
Disagree with me, it is your right. Concur with me to celebrate the wisdom. Join me to venture forward ever mindful of the path taken lest we encounter another like it.
My words based on experience. My thoughts for your consideration.
Regards,
Lance Gothic
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Mssr. Veith's book is: Modern Fascism: Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview. 1993. BrightLight Books.
There was a sign in the movie EASY RIDER: If GOD did not exist, man would seek to create him.
Psyops is not just for military use. When you want sympathy you offer up a weak victim. When you want a rally you provide a rallying point. When you want a war - you provide an enemy.
As others have noted, each word of quotation must be adhered to and not paraphrased or alluded to in an "as if" connotation. Neil Armstrong said "That's one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind." That is history. Mis-quoting the words make the event no less spectacular, but the derision is unacceptable. Soon the acceptance of a mis-belief becomes the belief. Re-read 1984.
"We hold these truths to be self evident..."
Unfortunately we can fail to remember.
There's a trite saying that goes:
"When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's kind of hard to remember that your primary objective was just to drain the swamp."
We should remind ourselves often that the flag is the symbol, it is the BEING that is the way of life.
Disagree with me, it is your right. Concur with me to celebrate the wisdom. Join me to venture forward ever mindful of the path taken lest we encounter another like it.
My words based on experience. My thoughts for your consideration.
Regards,
Lance Gothic
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Thanks!
Lance Gothic, thanks for the book title.
Lance Gothic, thanks for the book title.