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roarshock

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Just finished off my first box of this stuff. Very shiny. But hot! Or is that just me? Tried it in two alloy frame pistols and really snappy recoil. Felt like the frame was banging. Abusive compared to PPU or Blazer brass especially, S&B, etc. it was a handful. Maybe a faster powder or something? I don't want any more it if this is normal.
 
What caliber? If it was 9mm 115g its kinda weak but some grab the 124g nato white box and it a little hot.
 
If you're talking about the standard stuff you buy at the retail outlets it should just be normal ammo. Now, that said, I have stuff that comes in a "white box" but is very hot LE loads.
 
If you are referring to commercial 9MM Winchester white box ball ammo, sometimes referred to as WWB, what B-Shot said. If it is Winchester in a white box marked 124 grain NATO, it is a little warmer than the regular WWB stuff commonly available at Wal-Mart,etc. I've have used some thousands of rounds of both. The Winchester NATO I've chronographed averages 50-100 fps faster than WWB and other inexpensive target/plinking ammo, depending on barrel length,etc.

Now if it happens to be the Federal "9BPLE" 9MM +P+, that also comes in a white box, that will be noticeably warmer than other the two I mentioned.
 
Yes, it's the 100 bulk box of 115 grain 9mm. At least that's the label. Could simply be mis packaged NATO 124 if they make that too. Never thought to weigh one to compare unfortunately. Came from Bass Pro Shop token purchase "on sale" just to try it. Rattled the gun like crazy.
 
The box should tell you what grain it is ...and maybe velocity as well.

Personally, while I reload all my own ammo, most of the 115 gr from Win or Federal is just fine / but I primarily shoot steel full sized guns.
 
Abusive compared to PPU or Blazer brass especially, S&B, etc. it was a handful.
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I've shot it all and notice very little difference in recoil between brands. I find this puzzling because even the various +p loadings that I've tried generate only a little more recoil than standard pressure. :confused:
 
roarshock, if it is the warmer NATO ammo mispackaged, it with have the little NATO cross in a circle stamped on the case head.
 
My shooting partner and I were talking about the differences in bullet weight. We agree that the 9mm round recoil becomes softer as the projectile weight increases, given it's the same ammo mfg.. The match grade ammo, I sometimes shoot, is 147 gr.; and, it seems softer than regular 147 gr.

Then the conversation switched to .45ACP ammo. Then we agreed the 200 gr. was softer shooting than the 230 gr..

Crazy?

We were using Freedom ammo in fifteen plus 9mm pistols ranging from a Springfield 1911 Range Officer, several STI 1911's, several SIG's (including a p210 6, a X-5 L1 and a X-6 L1), CZ's and a STI Match Master (2011 race gun). This observation has taken place over a couple of years of shooting.

We also used Freedom ammo in the .45ACP pistols. Which were several HK's, including a Mark 23, a CZ 97, two SIG's, a STI Edge and a MP Shield.

Our observations seem to contradict some of the posts made here. And, the differences between 9mm and .45ACP projectile weight and reduced recoil seem inconsistent.

By the way, WWB 115 gr. feels snappy to me. More so than the Freedom 115 gr. round.
 
...We agree that the 9mm round recoil becomes softer as the projectile weight increases, given it's the same ammo mfg.. The match grade ammo, I sometimes shoot, is 147 gr.; and, it seems softer than regular 147 gr.
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The OP mentioned that he was shooting "alloy framed pistols" but was not specific as to which guns these were. I would recommend that he pick up 1 box each of 115 gr., 124 gr. and 147 gr. Federal American Eagle ("AE") FMJ practice ammo, so you can practice with it at the range. The heavier bullet weight will often result in a softer felt recoil for a lot of people, but that may not always be the case. I can say that the softest recoiling 9mm I have is my STI Trojan 1911, but this gun will not cycle reliably with many types of 115 gr. ammo, and I'm not particularly fond of any pistol that won't shoot & cycle properly with what I want to load it with.
 
JDBerg said:
I can say that the softest recoiling 9mm I have is my STI Trojan 1911, but this gun will not cycle reliably with many types of 115 gr. ammo, and I'm not particularly fond of any pistol that won't shoot & cycle properly with what I want to load it with.
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A slightly-lighter recoil spring will likely make some of the other 9mm 115 gr ammo work just fine. (Get a calibration pack from Wolff, and try several different weights when using that other ammo. A lighter spring will probably work fine with all ammo.)
 
Walt Sherrill: said:
A slightly-lighter recoil spring will likely make some of the other 9mm 115 gr ammo work just fine.
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Yep, the gun has a 9lb Wolff recoil spring in it now, but this one really likes the 124 & 147 grain ammo better than the "light & cheap" stuff:)
 
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