Which Way On A Steyr Scout ?

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Milehi

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I can buy a new in box Steyr Scout for $1560 without the scope. The cheapest I can find a scout with the scope is $2070, a $510 difference. A Scout Leupold will run $230 , and I would think rings would be no more than $60. That would total up to $1850.
Unless I'm missing something, the better deal is to buy the unscoped scout and scope it myself, and save $220 for ammo.
Agree or not ?
 
Your right.
I bought a Steyr Scout some time ago, the Jeff Cooper Package...and I KNOW I would have been happier if I bought the plain rifle and put a 2-7 Leupold on it.

The Scout Scope offers no advantage that I can see, other than big light pencil. And the Scope that some with the package has cross hairs that are way to large [they are over 2 MOA]. Put it this way the gun will probably shoot ~ .75 MOA with several different loads, but the cross hairs on the Scout Scope that comes with the package won't let you shoot up to the rifle.

The standard Scout [if you buy from Leupold instead of the package scout deal] scopes should have normal size crosshairs.

My $.02

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The package gets you a scout sling ($50) and I don't know what else, maybe some extra magazines. Plus you get the nifty Cooper logo.

IMO, get the rifle and a 1.5-5 Leupold with Talley rings
 
I prefer the Weaver 2x scope to the Leupold. Not that the Leupold is a bad scope, but I like the Weaver at half the price. Gives me some extra money to buy more ammo and practice with it.
 
The Steyr Scout is a system. It's designed to work the way Cooper and Steyr set it up. If you're swapping parts looking for something else, why are you buying this gun?
What you should be looking at, and it is cheaper, are the SBSs. A SBS Professional (or Tactical, or whatever they're calling it this week) would probably meet your needs better. Punching holes, or small groups, in paper isn't what the SS is all about.
 
Jeff Cooper is not GOD. He didn't design the perfect gun. He even has some criticisms of the Steyr Scout. As for 'swapping' components, you aren't doing that. The Steyr Scout has a forward mounted scope that you cannot get with the SBS. I had a Remington 660 in 350 Magnum made up with a Scout Scope Mount on it and put a Weaver 2x Handgun Scope on it. I'll be darned if that gun shoots just as good as the Steyr does at half the price. Besides that, I like it. Burris also makes a fine Scout Scope. Jim West prefers the Leupold but Jim isn't God Either. It's his rifle, let him put what he wants on it.

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Well I bought the gun to see if Cooper was right about the concept. I am unaware of the 2 MOA crosshairs being part of the Scout Concept?

You do realize that 2 MOA crosshairs makes even a 200 yard shot on deer a bit difficult don't you? Do to the lack of precise aiming point, not to mention if you only have a portion of the target in clear sight you may not be able to shoot with those extra thick cross hairs that come with the package Steyr Scout.

I believe Cooper has sugested that a triangel placed upside down might make a better sight since it wouldn't obscure the target.
 
I don't find the crosshairs in the Leupold any handicap. The SS was designed to secure quick hits at practical ranges. Not benchrest shooting. I personally prefer the European #4 reticle, but the Leupold is adequate for what this rifle is meant for: quick shots at moderate ranges.

Cooper has also stated ad nauseum the present scout scopes aren't ideal. But they are available, so that's what is being used. The fact remains, if you aren't making use of a long eye relief scope that allows a full range of natural vision, why are you buying a SS?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Milehi:
I can buy a new in box Steyr Scout for $1560 without the scope. The cheapest I can find a scout with the scope is $2070, a $510 difference. [/quote]


I looked into one of these about a year ago.
I like reading Jeff Cooper's stuff. I respect his opinions...
The Scout is a nice $600-800 rifle. But those retail is almost twice that.
After shooting one, I wasn't as impressed as I should have been.
I could buy 3-6 AK variants for that price and get better rifles.
 
The Steyr rings are $189. Leupold QRWs will mar the rail because of the round crossbolt. ARMS rings will not work on the Scouts. I also find the heavy reticle obscures smaller targets. Mine is off to Leupold for a 4A. I have a Kahles 1.5-6 30mm scope in Steyr rings on mine now and it is fine. If you want to save money buy a Savage scout-type.
Author Barrett Tillman took one to Africa and was pleased with it. My 17 yr old used her Steyr in Zimbabwe last summer and decked everything she encountered. It is an outstanding rifle right out of the box. You get what you pay for.
 
I have never been able to figure out what logic Steyr is using behind the (IMHO) absurdly high price they are asking for the Cooper Scout unless it is the good old capitalist concept of charging what the market will bear and I am most definitely in favor of capitalism. So more power to them, I guess. I have a few guns that cost in the neighborhood of what the Scout costs but I just will not pay that much for a synthetic stocked bolt action carbine. Steyr has some other models that are much more reasonably priced and I think just as well thought out. www.gsifirearms.com

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Robcon is correct. You must use Steyr rings on the Steyr Scout or you will damage the rail. The GSI website does depict a Steyr Scout with a conventionally mounted scope, so with the proper rings you can do it.

When you shoulder a Steyr Scout, you will notice how high the stock is under your cheek. This feature brings the eye in alignment with a scope for quick target acquisition.

Unfortunately, the "iron" sights (actually a pop-up plastic post and peep sight on the rail) do not work as well because the eye is not naturally directed to the aperture. You have to do some squirming about to get a sight picture.

Hence, the rifle works well with a scope but not as easily with the "Ghost ring" sights, which are strictly for emergency use at 50 yards or so.

Since I am dedicated to using aperture sights now, I will be passing on the Steyr Scout for now. American bolt actions with their slender stocks are better for use with iron sights.

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Guys: I wouldn't mind having a Steyr Scout. The concept and design are valid, but I think Steyr and Mr. Cooper missed the boat somewhat. They should have made it into a more modular package by adding a picatinny rail on the receiver and forward on the barrel. That would have allowed use of standard AR Flattop type rings, sighting options galore. This business of having to use only Steyr rings detracts from the overall usefullness of the piece. I prefer the configuration called the "tactical scout" with a black stock over the standard gray.

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