My local gun shop has a couple rifles that interest me, a tang safety m77 7mm mag and a savage 110 300 win mag. I've never owned either caliber nor do I mind the kick. My concern is which is the better rifle? Accuracy being the main thing. The savage is about half the price. And I've heard the tang safety rugers are notorious about being inaccurate. Any help help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
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Which one????
- Thread starter BradP
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I don't know that very many Rugers were what I call accurate though my M77 was more than good enough for hunting (the only shot I missed was my fault_)
If the Savage is an acu trigger that's a plus. The hunting version adjusted down to 2.5 lbs. With a spring change you can get it down to 1.5.
Thinner and shorter barrels these days I am not keen on.
Savage makes decent barrels but I have not been able to get the pencil 30-06 and 270s I have to shoot well.
The nice thing about a Savage is its easily re-barreled and often barrel stores have them in stock.
For the 300 WM I would at least want their Varmint Contour if it does not have that.
If you get adventurous for about $150 you can change your own barrels.
If the Savage is an acu trigger that's a plus. The hunting version adjusted down to 2.5 lbs. With a spring change you can get it down to 1.5.
Thinner and shorter barrels these days I am not keen on.
Savage makes decent barrels but I have not been able to get the pencil 30-06 and 270s I have to shoot well.
The nice thing about a Savage is its easily re-barreled and often barrel stores have them in stock.
For the 300 WM I would at least want their Varmint Contour if it does not have that.
If you get adventurous for about $150 you can change your own barrels.
Ruger didn't start making their own barrels until the early 90's. Prior to that they purchased them from various barrel makers on the low bid process. As a result most were at least acceptable, a lot were great, but a significant number shot very poorly. It is more of a gamble on the Ruger, of that era anyway. They started making their own barrels when they went to the Winchester style safety and most of those are decent shooters. Rarely good enough for target work, but plenty hunting accurate.
You say you aren't concerned about recoil. You are, you just may not know it yet, it affects everybody. And 300 WM recoil is a significant step up over 7 mag. Anything magnum is falling from favor, hunters are finding more manageable rounds like 7-08 and 308 do everything just as well out to 300-400 yards. The magnum rounds only come into play once you start shooting game at 600+ yards.
You say you aren't concerned about recoil. You are, you just may not know it yet, it affects everybody. And 300 WM recoil is a significant step up over 7 mag. Anything magnum is falling from favor, hunters are finding more manageable rounds like 7-08 and 308 do everything just as well out to 300-400 yards. The magnum rounds only come into play once you start shooting game at 600+ yards.
BradP: Please tell me you are not talking about electrical shock?
Regardless, take care of your body, it needs to last a lifetime .
I did not, not intentionally, I now enjoy life with one ruptures and one bulged disk. One operation (successful thank you) and I get to do the rest of my life on 25 lbs or less of lifting. there was nothing physical I could not do or overcome. Now there is.
Hearing is also extremely important. Wear protection , orange squeeze plugs are great. You do not know what its like to start loosing your hearing. Good think I am asocial, I miss out on a whole lot.
My take is that 300 wM and 7mm are the same with 7mm worse for perceived
(I had the Ruger and it was bad)
The Ruger is rugged and a good hunter, the Savage is a good choice if you thinking you want to change calibers some day. that pence barrel can be erratic even from the first to second shot.
They offer what are called pre fit barrel. Chambered, threaded, someone just has to screw it on until head space is right, tighten the nut and you have a rifle that can shoot sub 1/2 MOA.
Savage has a team that competes with factory rifles, they push the very best exotic equipment right to the limit.
Regardless, take care of your body, it needs to last a lifetime .
I did not, not intentionally, I now enjoy life with one ruptures and one bulged disk. One operation (successful thank you) and I get to do the rest of my life on 25 lbs or less of lifting. there was nothing physical I could not do or overcome. Now there is.
Hearing is also extremely important. Wear protection , orange squeeze plugs are great. You do not know what its like to start loosing your hearing. Good think I am asocial, I miss out on a whole lot.
My take is that 300 wM and 7mm are the same with 7mm worse for perceived
(I had the Ruger and it was bad)
The Ruger is rugged and a good hunter, the Savage is a good choice if you thinking you want to change calibers some day. that pence barrel can be erratic even from the first to second shot.
They offer what are called pre fit barrel. Chambered, threaded, someone just has to screw it on until head space is right, tighten the nut and you have a rifle that can shoot sub 1/2 MOA.
Savage has a team that competes with factory rifles, they push the very best exotic equipment right to the limit.
redline494
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If you are looking at it from accuracy standpoint, I would steer toward the Savage personally.
I have a non-accustock, non accutrigger 110 in .30-06 that can shoot better than I can by a wide margin, and if I happen to be on my game, it's an excellent shooter.
As far as caliber, I have a Browning A-bolt in 7mm Rem. Mag. and a Remington 700 long range in .300 Win. Mag. and I would be hard pressed to tell a difference in recoil between the two.
What would you be using it for?
I have a non-accustock, non accutrigger 110 in .30-06 that can shoot better than I can by a wide margin, and if I happen to be on my game, it's an excellent shooter.
As far as caliber, I have a Browning A-bolt in 7mm Rem. Mag. and a Remington 700 long range in .300 Win. Mag. and I would be hard pressed to tell a difference in recoil between the two.
What would you be using it for?
98% of the time the use would be a deer rifle. I've got a sweet little 243 that I've used since I was 13, and now for some reason after 17 years of killing deer I've got it in my head a magnum would do it better. My father in law has been throwing around an elk trip so that's in my head as well. I've been reading where people have done fairly well on bigger game with that 6.5 creedmor, so I don't know.
30-06 will do deer and Elk no issue.
My step dads father shot 8 Grizzly with an old 1920 30-06 Sporter.
Most of it is the right bullet choice.
Keep in mind, once you get out past 500 yds, the bullet drop is major for any caliber, for a 7mm its (just pulling this out of my hat) 40 inches.
30-06 might be 45 inches.
Yea 7mm shoots flatter but 5 inches in 40 is small percentage and its the hold and range estimated that winds not the so called flatter shooting.
30-06 has more than the range needed to get out to 500+ yds for elk.
My step dads father shot 8 Grizzly with an old 1920 30-06 Sporter.
Most of it is the right bullet choice.
Keep in mind, once you get out past 500 yds, the bullet drop is major for any caliber, for a 7mm its (just pulling this out of my hat) 40 inches.
30-06 might be 45 inches.
Yea 7mm shoots flatter but 5 inches in 40 is small percentage and its the hold and range estimated that winds not the so called flatter shooting.
30-06 has more than the range needed to get out to 500+ yds for elk.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Back in my magnum days the 7mm was much more tolerable than the .300 and the .338 wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be and would take one over a .300 any day.
My pedestrian bolt action rifles in .223, .270 and .30-06 do me just fine these days and doubt I'll ever own anything "magnum" again cept for maybe a .22 Mag
My pedestrian bolt action rifles in .223, .270 and .30-06 do me just fine these days and doubt I'll ever own anything "magnum" again cept for maybe a .22 Mag
The hunting version adjusted down to 2.5 lbs. With a spring change you can get it down to 1.5.
Touch a 1.5lb trigger with your glove (or a finger stiff from the cold) when inserting your finger into the triggerguard and the rifle will fire. What works well to give good groups from the bench on a good day is seldom a good choice for hunting, especially in less than balmy conditions.
3lbs is as light as you ought to go, for a rifle to be used in all kinds of weather, and heavier hurts nothing, if the trigger pull is smooth and crisp.