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Where was Jeb Bush?
- Thread starter Fred S
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Glenn E. Meyer
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One of those bales of strange weed float up on your Miami beach?
Oh, come now?
Oh, come now?
If Gov. Jeb Bush had made an attempt to post the Florida National Guard around the home, Clinton would have just Federalized them, placing them under his control.
Gov. Bush, and many others, probably felt that as long as negotiations were going on, that no action of this type would occur. This is certainly not the first time that people have made the mistake that Clinton would act in good faith.
We should all feel sorrow and shame for our nation today, violently taking a child from his home and the people he loves during this most Holy of times.
Gov. Bush, and many others, probably felt that as long as negotiations were going on, that no action of this type would occur. This is certainly not the first time that people have made the mistake that Clinton would act in good faith.
We should all feel sorrow and shame for our nation today, violently taking a child from his home and the people he loves during this most Holy of times.
Glenn:
My point is as long as nobody stands up to the Government, then the government will always do this kind of stuff.
It would be be intersting to see if a Governors tells the Feds he does not want thier help in handeling a matter within his own state. The Federal Government might be under a legal obligation to obey. Then if the state backed it up with force. Hmmm.. interesting, eh?
But the states won't. They have been purchased by the federal government and that is why the fedreal government is so powerful.
Its food for thought. But it will never happend because no one has the courage to do it.
[This message has been edited by Fred S (edited April 22, 2000).]
My point is as long as nobody stands up to the Government, then the government will always do this kind of stuff.
It would be be intersting to see if a Governors tells the Feds he does not want thier help in handeling a matter within his own state. The Federal Government might be under a legal obligation to obey. Then if the state backed it up with force. Hmmm.. interesting, eh?
But the states won't. They have been purchased by the federal government and that is why the fedreal government is so powerful.
Its food for thought. But it will never happend because no one has the courage to do it.
[This message has been edited by Fred S (edited April 22, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fred S:
Why did'nt the Governor of Florida post the Florida National Guard around the Gonzalez house to prevent a Federal invasion of a Florida citizen's property?
Hmmmmm?[/quote]
Didn't the federales have a warrant?
I don't disagree with the feds going in...kid should be with his father.
I've a real problem with every freakin' federale law enforcement detail looking like an invasion of Panama. Wouldn't a couple of agents (wearing suits and standard sidearms) have accomplished this?
As far as Bush...Hell, nobody wanted to be involved in this endeavor. It's been a POS from day one.
[This message has been edited by Ezeckial (edited April 22, 2000).]
Why did'nt the Governor of Florida post the Florida National Guard around the Gonzalez house to prevent a Federal invasion of a Florida citizen's property?
Hmmmmm?[/quote]
Didn't the federales have a warrant?
I don't disagree with the feds going in...kid should be with his father.
I've a real problem with every freakin' federale law enforcement detail looking like an invasion of Panama. Wouldn't a couple of agents (wearing suits and standard sidearms) have accomplished this?
As far as Bush...Hell, nobody wanted to be involved in this endeavor. It's been a POS from day one.
[This message has been edited by Ezeckial (edited April 22, 2000).]
jeffelkins
New member
As a Florida resident, I too wonder:
Where is Jeb Bush?
I'm suprised he didn't speak out. Senator Connie Mack did.
Where is Jeb Bush?
I'm suprised he didn't speak out. Senator Connie Mack did.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeffelkins:
As a Florida resident, I too wonder:
Where is Jeb Bush?
I'm suprised he didn't speak out. Senator Connie Mack did.[/quote]
I read a headline that the Repulicans did raise hell about this raid.
What did Connie Mack say?
As a Florida resident, I too wonder:
Where is Jeb Bush?
I'm suprised he didn't speak out. Senator Connie Mack did.[/quote]
I read a headline that the Repulicans did raise hell about this raid.
What did Connie Mack say?
Jeb Bush was not as quiet as you guys think. Read this...
Published Saturday, April 15, 2000, in the Miami Herald
Bush appeals for calm
Elian a family issue, he says
BY DANIEL de VISE
ddevise@herald.com
A FATHER'S VOICE: Florida Gov. Jeb Bush expressed his hope that Elian Gonzalez's family can resolve the custody issue out of the glare of the spotlight on Friday at Y-100 radio station in Fort Lauderdale.
Sounding more like a father than a governor, Jeb Bush on Friday urged the nation's Elian-watchers to think of the 6-year-old as ``a traumatized child'' whose best interests would be served by a quiet, private and peaceful resolution to the epic custody battle.
``My appeal is for calm and for people to be reasoned about this and for politics to step aside,'' said Bush, a morning guest at radio station Y-100 (WHYI 100.7 FM) in Fort Lauderdale. ``I have three children. Put this in the perspective of your kids. . . . My immediate reaction when I see [Elian] on TV is, I want to hug him.''
Bush, whose children are 16, 22 and 23, said he hopes Elian's relatives can gather in private, away from the probing eye of politicians and the news media, to decide the boy's fate. He was in town Friday for a press conference on technology.
Attorney General Janet Reno, who backed down Thursday when faced with the volatile prospect of removing the boy from his temporary Miami home by force, has voiced the same wish.
``I would hope that the family would get together outside the press and the politicians and talk about this,'' Bush said during a 40-minute chat with radio personality Footy. ``This should not be about politics. This should be about what's in the best interests of this precious child.''
Bush has been vocal about Elian's situation since days after the boy arrived in the United States. On Nov. 30, Bush said he believed Elian should remain here. And on March 29, the governor aimed a stream of harsh words at Reno for pushing a showdown with Elian's Miami relatives.
Bush spoke against the idea of raiding the Gonzalez home to enforce a judge's order to return him to his father and to Cuba.
Bush said he wants Reno and the federal government to allow a full hearing in family court on Elian's custody. But a family court judge on Thursday dismissed that case, saying Elian's great-uncle Lazaro was too distantly related to the boy to seek custody and that the federal government's decision to reunite the child with his father superseded her authority.
``I don't believe, given the appellate court's ruling, that it's appropriate for the U.S. Marshal to come in now. I hope that they will determine that there will be a custody hearing, just like with any other child,'' Bush said.
Elian served mainly as a conversation-starter for a brief but broad talk between the governor, a local talk show host and several South Floridians. Bush seemed most eager to talk about education -- and to praise Broward schools Superintendent Frank Till for his campaign against the practice of social promotion. No caller to the morning radio program asked the governor about the ubiquitous custody battle.
Bush's policy of issuing letter grades to public schools has sparked protests in Broward, Miami-Dade and around the state.
Joe
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Published Saturday, April 15, 2000, in the Miami Herald
Bush appeals for calm
Elian a family issue, he says
BY DANIEL de VISE
ddevise@herald.com
A FATHER'S VOICE: Florida Gov. Jeb Bush expressed his hope that Elian Gonzalez's family can resolve the custody issue out of the glare of the spotlight on Friday at Y-100 radio station in Fort Lauderdale.
Sounding more like a father than a governor, Jeb Bush on Friday urged the nation's Elian-watchers to think of the 6-year-old as ``a traumatized child'' whose best interests would be served by a quiet, private and peaceful resolution to the epic custody battle.
``My appeal is for calm and for people to be reasoned about this and for politics to step aside,'' said Bush, a morning guest at radio station Y-100 (WHYI 100.7 FM) in Fort Lauderdale. ``I have three children. Put this in the perspective of your kids. . . . My immediate reaction when I see [Elian] on TV is, I want to hug him.''
Bush, whose children are 16, 22 and 23, said he hopes Elian's relatives can gather in private, away from the probing eye of politicians and the news media, to decide the boy's fate. He was in town Friday for a press conference on technology.
Attorney General Janet Reno, who backed down Thursday when faced with the volatile prospect of removing the boy from his temporary Miami home by force, has voiced the same wish.
``I would hope that the family would get together outside the press and the politicians and talk about this,'' Bush said during a 40-minute chat with radio personality Footy. ``This should not be about politics. This should be about what's in the best interests of this precious child.''
Bush has been vocal about Elian's situation since days after the boy arrived in the United States. On Nov. 30, Bush said he believed Elian should remain here. And on March 29, the governor aimed a stream of harsh words at Reno for pushing a showdown with Elian's Miami relatives.
Bush spoke against the idea of raiding the Gonzalez home to enforce a judge's order to return him to his father and to Cuba.
Bush said he wants Reno and the federal government to allow a full hearing in family court on Elian's custody. But a family court judge on Thursday dismissed that case, saying Elian's great-uncle Lazaro was too distantly related to the boy to seek custody and that the federal government's decision to reunite the child with his father superseded her authority.
``I don't believe, given the appellate court's ruling, that it's appropriate for the U.S. Marshal to come in now. I hope that they will determine that there will be a custody hearing, just like with any other child,'' Bush said.
Elian served mainly as a conversation-starter for a brief but broad talk between the governor, a local talk show host and several South Floridians. Bush seemed most eager to talk about education -- and to praise Broward schools Superintendent Frank Till for his campaign against the practice of social promotion. No caller to the morning radio program asked the governor about the ubiquitous custody battle.
Bush's policy of issuing letter grades to public schools has sparked protests in Broward, Miami-Dade and around the state.
Joe
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swampgator
New member
Neil Boortz covered Jeb's involvement on Thursday if IIRC.
Essentially the case in Federal in nature due to the Federal Government's control over immigration. Once Elian's relatives filed suit against the INS, they pretty much took the state court out of the picture.
Jeb's had a little over a year in office and I think he's doing a lot to change Florida for the better. Or at least attempting to. Most of Florida is registered Democrat regardless of what they vote. However when Florida elects a Republican governor, (only 3 since reconstruction: Claude Kirk 1968, Bob Martinez 1986, Jeb 1998) the democrats in office seem to fall back to party politics and opposive all of the governor's iniatives.
So let's sit back and see how this plays out.
Gator
Essentially the case in Federal in nature due to the Federal Government's control over immigration. Once Elian's relatives filed suit against the INS, they pretty much took the state court out of the picture.
Jeb's had a little over a year in office and I think he's doing a lot to change Florida for the better. Or at least attempting to. Most of Florida is registered Democrat regardless of what they vote. However when Florida elects a Republican governor, (only 3 since reconstruction: Claude Kirk 1968, Bob Martinez 1986, Jeb 1998) the democrats in office seem to fall back to party politics and opposive all of the governor's iniatives.
So let's sit back and see how this plays out.
Gator