Where is the line in the sand drawn?

[silicon wolverine]

Where americans will say "this far, no farther!" with respect to loss of rights? Where will the government go too far? Ive had a few locals ask me what i think of the new immigration bill and they are a little astounded that i think it is unconstitutional and we should instigate illegal immigrant bounty hunting to control the problem. Ive been asked what i think of current state of teh electorate and have been thrown out of a freinds home becuase i said i thought it was a waste of time to vote because the cantidates were all idiots. What do you guys (and gals) think?

SW

 

[Scott Conklin]

NAIS is my line. I'll register neither my home, land nor animals. I am far from alone in that regard. I'd guess if the Kelo decision results in a broader taking of land that will be the line for many others. Immigration also is a line for many, as is the coming creation of the "AU" for even more. There are other events that are likely to have the same power.

Like I said several years back, there's a storm coming and it isn't going to be about guns, at least not at first. I just didn't think it was coming quite this soon but, considering how "change" has been accelerating the past 30 years, I guess it makes sense.

 

[joab]

Where is the line in the sand drawn

Apparently way far from the line the government is toeing now.

Kelo should have done it, Katrina confiscations should have done it the U.S. sanctioned southern invasion force should do it but won't.

It will take house to house confiscations of legally owned firearms and enforcement of UN law before any real reaction is seen and by then it will be by just a few patriots that remember what we were supposed to be.

The rest of us will silently tsk tsk as the media paints them as domestic terrorist militia and secretly fondle our MOLON LABE tattoos and pine for better days.


I am not going to just not vote but I will vote a straight Libertarian ticket.
Not because the candidates are idiots but because they are not and just maybe a message will be sent to the party that has abandoned me

That's my melodramatic rant for the day

 

[rhgunguy]

The great thing about lines in the sand for the government is that they can erase one and draw another while you sleep. It keeps coming closer and closer to a police state.

 

[carbiner]

In MN our local news casts will follow our local gov around. They show the gov doing health inspections at certain restaurants and giving the impression the mighty gov is protecting them.

They also show us what a great job the gov does at controlling mosquitos and what life would be like without.

Or a new program helping those poor but wonderful gang bangers with your tax dollar.

My point, with an information network like this it's no wonder people have no idea where line is.

The MN gov is testing a new device to mount on telephone poles in Minneapolis which can detect gunfire and call the gov and get out there and protect the people.

These are a tiny fraction of silly, costly, programs and laws that were never needed. The people are convinced they cannot take care of, or protect themselves.

None of the above examples and many others would ever have been needed if it weren't for the gov to begin with. They crossed the line along time ago and know full well they did, and they also know the sheeple won't try to stop em.

Land of the free?
Home of the brave?

 

[Oldphart]

Sorry guys. Many of you still think it will be over gun confiscation but by the time we keep backing down and re-drawing the 'line' our guns won't make any difference to them or to us. Instead of striding boldly across our 'line', .gov simply goes around it, much like the German army outflanked the Magginot Line.
We are being marginalized even as we debate the issues. Look at every instance in the past twenty years where someone decided that his personal line had been breached. He was killed or imprisoned and the only information we got was from .gov. Consequently, he became an 'anti-government militia' type or a common criminal or perhaps even a child molester, a la David Koresh.
There isn't even a decent chance of several people taking up arms at the same time. To do so they'd have to communicate some way and we all know who controls the communications systems. Before our revolutionaries ever got to the point where they were ready to do something they'd all be charged with conspiracy, hauled off and "convinced" to rat each other out.
Posing this question reminds me of a story about a righteous man. He lived his life so well that God elected to give him a bit of a reward before he died. Archangel Michael approached the man, explained the situation and asked him if there was anything he wanted. The man replied, "Yes. I want to know when I'm going to die."
The angel shook his head and said he couldn't give him that information since only God was permitted to know that.
The man thought a bit and then asked if he could just know where he was to meet his end.
The angel asked why he wanted to know that and the man told him that if he knew that he'd make sure to never go there.
Suddenly realizing the man had been scamming him and God all those years, he took out his sword and said, "I'll answer both your questions. Here and NOW!!"

Now that's a line in the sand. Anything else is just bluster. And I'm no better at that than you are.

 

[pax]

Line in the sand. Heh. It doesn't exist.

Gun owners won't even vote, for apathy. Or because they think it "won't make any difference."

Some gun owners tell other gun owners not to vote for the best, most RKBA candidate -- simply because they are afraid of being on the losing end of an election.

Sometimes they even vote against freedom, because they want to demonstrate that they aren't "one issue voters," or because the legislation suggested is just a "common sense safety measure" and the voter thinks it "won't affect me." Or because if you're not a bad person, you don't have anything to hide.

Gun owners won't even show up at political protests to carry signs, or write to their local papers, for fear of "getting on a list somewhere."

They won't put RKBA bumper stickers on their cars, unless the sticker is so subtle that no one but a fellow gunnie would get it anyway -- for fear of "getting a window smashed or something."

Whenever one of our fellow gun owners has a run in with the law, gun owners are quick to denounce the gun owner, and support the unjust law. They do this to show that gun owners are "really law abiding" ... even when the law itself is unjust and wrong.

But it's okay. In the soi-distant future, when the goon squads are coming door-to-door to gather up guns, suddenly all the gun owners in America will grow a set of balls twice as big as the ones they had before.

Unfortunately, two times zero is still zero.

pax

Loss of freedom seldom happens overnight. Oppression doesn't stand on the doorstep with toothbrush moustache and swastika armband -- it creeps up insidiously... step by step, and all of a sudden the unfortunate citizen realizes that it is gone. -- Baron Lane

 

[Al Norris]

Pax, when I hit the campaign trail, next summer (yup, gonna run for mayor again), I'll invite you to one of my rallies. You will know me, as I'll be the one packing a .44 on my hip.

By and large, you are correct though. Most gunnies are as complacent as the sheeple they often refer to.

 

[rick_reno]

The line was erased when checks and balances that are supposed to operate in our government went away. How can there be a line when everything they do is "legal" - just ask Alberto Gonzales.

 

[steelheart]

Seig Heil??

How can there be a line when everything they do is "legal" - just ask Alberto Gonzales.

Hmmmmm - as I recall, everything Adolph Hitler and his - uh - "friends" did in Nazi Germany was legal, too.

Are gun owners "The New Jews?" Food for thought...

 

[Rich Lucibella]

Y'know People.
We get these "I'm damned mad and I'm not gonna take it anymore...are you Men or Mice?" threads way too often.

Mr. "Wolverine"-
I provide you a simple challenge:
How 'bout starting off another thread telling us what your line in the sand is? Anything else is simple whining about "The Sheeple".
Thread closed. Realistic Part Deux required.....
Oh, and, use your Real Names....lest you be branded "Sheeple".
Rich