Where can I get toy guns that use magazines, and will manually cycle snapcaps?

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I went to a town fair/carnival last weekend. I noticed there was a fire safety booth, a Red Cross booth, and displays by paramedics and by the police. But no gun safety booth. WHY NOT??? So I want to have one at future events.

The event organizers might not approve of using real guns, but how can they object to toy guns when other booths are giving toy guns away as prizes!

I would also like to use toy guns so the public, including kids, can handle them, and so I can do this even in a school zone and not have to bother with getting permission from the police.

Also I'm curious how anti's will react when they are obviously toy guns so they can't really believe there is any danger.

But they must be realisticly functioning "guns" so I can show people how to unload them, that there can be a round in the chamber after you remove the mag and so on.

I would have "Eddie Eagle" or "Granpa Jack" type brochures for the kids, and pro-gun literature for the adults.
 
Good Idea, but good luck finding guns like this if it will fire a snap cap it probably would fire live? I know the pressure would blow the gun but who wants the liability? Better to take real gun and make it into demo gun maybe have cutaways, welded barrel and altered chamber so it will only load modified snap caps and will not chamber standard sized cartridges? Just my .02c
 
Just get a local police officer involved. An officer there in uniform would make your hassles much less. Then get dummy rounds which are clearly dummy rounds, and just use real guns with plugged barrels.

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I've seen "starter" type pistols or blank pistols for sale in the gun rags (I don't have any in front of me to verify this) that load blanks like a real pistol, fires and ejects like a real pistol. I think the barrel is filled so you get the blow back action of the real thing. Just be careful and find out if there is any insurance requirements and also remember that blanks can kill also (escaping gases). Also that blanks are VERY loud (or can be) and that may scare off people or cause a panic. If you cause a panic and anyone gets hurt, you may be held responsible. I think that the cut-a-way gun with snap caps (red) is a good way to create a demo. You can load the mag (with a cut showing the mag in the grip), chamber a round (the red will show that the round is chambered) and then remove the mag. Then you can ask people, while they are watching the whole demo, if the gun is now "safe" or not. Then recite the gun safety rule: Treat a gun as if it is ALWAYS loaded. Then go into a speech or something about safety.

Also. Toy guns are banned from schools and are listed as "weapons" in a public forum (fairs, etc..) in some areas. Just like the law that states that if you hold up a store, even if the gun is only a toy, you can still be held for armed robbery.

Just had an idea. Instead of spending the money for a cut-a-way, create a video of how to unload and how to handle a gun safely. Sure, you won't get the same dramatic effect but it will help to get your message across without spending a great deal of money.

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Try http://www.maxsell.com/Guns/index.html ...
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... They have guns which look & feel like the real thing and even fire loud blanks but can not fire or even load live ammo.
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[This message has been edited by FUD (edited August 27, 2000).]
 
You misunderstood me. I said SNAPCAPS which are dummys - pieces of red plastic with no powder or primers, and I said cycle them MANUALLY. I didn't say FIRE anything. NO blanks, no primers, no noise, NOTHING.

Now real guns with barrel cut away and the firing pin removed might be ok.

I suppose people could handle them if they're chained to the table. (the guns not the people :) )
 
Can't help you now, but I remember when I was a kid I had a "Johnny Eagle" .45 auto. It loaded from a magazine in the butt, and fired spring-loaded cartridges which were set off by a firing pin blow to the back, firing a plastic bullet out to maybe 20 or 30 feet. You'd cycle the slide manually, of course, but other than that, it was remarkably close in appearance and function to a 1911. If you put a "greenie stick-on cap" on the back of each "cartridge" you'd get a bang when you fired it.

Anyway, that was the most realistically funtioning toy gun I ever saw.
 
Dasiey(sp) the bb gun manufacturer used to make them. I still have a set, a couple of berreta's, and a s&w. They have plastic shells that load with pellets the new soft air guns use. The actions cycle, but they work in reverse. And it ejects the "spent" case. A real 9mm case does fit, but there is no firing pin. I don't know if a snap cap would work. I am not sure if a "full" round would chamber. They are still the 1 for 1 detail replicas they make today, but they were designed to use a shell to load. Each one holds 6 to 10 rounds in the clip. I don't know if you can find them anymore, dasiey stopped selling them around 10 years ago. But now you know what to look for.
 
I can remember sometime about 25 to 30 years ago (in England!) a friend of mine (his dad was in the army) had exactly this type of "toy" gun, with plugged barrel and snapcaps. You could take it apart and reassemble, work the action, etc. just like the real thing. I believe these things were quite common then, as another friend also had one. Sorry but I can't remember who made or sold these things...

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