When to grab a gun?

FUD

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I recently posted something that happened to me a few days ago and somebody made the comment that I seem to live an exciting life and I responded that since nothing actually happened, I suspected that this type of stuff happens to people all of the time with the only difference being that I might be more observant than others and other people might not even notice that it is happening. Additionally, I might "read more into things" where as others might not look at all of the negative possibilities first the way that I do. Then it was mentioned that it is better to prepare for the worst and have nothing happen then assume everything is okay and be taken by a surprise attact.

All of this got me thinking as to when is the right time to grab the gun or to be armed. I've put together the following situations (which actually happened -- readers of my posts might recognize some of them) and am curious how other board members would have reacted if these things happened to them:<OL TYPE=1><LI> You are awaken at 2:30 in the morning by a scrapping sound coming from another room and it is obviously loud enought to wake you up. Your wife is in bed next to you and your baby is in a crib also in your bedroom. You own no pets and there are no other people living in your home. No neighbors have keys to your place and your NEAREST family member lives about a thousand miles away and you got off the phone with her before going to bed. You continue to listen and after a few minutes the sound does not stop but is getting slightly louder as if it is coming closer. Do you: (a) Ignore it and hope it stops; (b) Lock the bedroom door and call the police and hid under the cover until they arrive; (c) call the police and point a shotgun at the door ready to blast anything that walks in; (d) investigate the noise WITHOUT a gun; (e) investigate the noise WITH a gun.
<LI> Again, in the middle of the night you are awaken by a loud thud quickly followed by the sound of breaking glass. This time, the baby is sleeping in her own bedroom seperate from your bedroom. Do you: (a) Call the police and remain in your bedroom until they arrive; (b) go check on the baby and investigate the noise WITH a gun; (c) check on the baby and investigate the noise WITHOUT a gun.
<LI> During a raining & windy thunderstorm in the middle of the afternoon, you hear a door open and to the best of your knowledge, you are the only one home as the rest of the family is away for the day. Do you investigate with a gun in hand?
<LI> Playing catch in your backyard with your little one in a neighborhood with an almost zero crime rate. Do you need to be armed?
<LI> Your doorbell starts ringing at 4AM and keeps ringing. It is a solid door without a peephole so you can't see who is there. Do you: (a) Let it continue to ring; (b) Open the door with a gun in hand (or some other way readily accessible); (c) Open the door with a weapon.</OL>
As these are actual events that happened, here are my answers:<OL TYPE=1><LI> I grabbed my S&W4006 to see what was going on. I didn't bring a flashlight because we have nightlights & sensorlights set up throughout the house so I was never in the dark and I wanted to keep the other hand free for a two handed shot if needed. It turned out that my wife had a birthday party a couple of days earlier and we gave some of the balloons to the baby to play with. The baloons came undone, flew next to the air vent and the air turned on and was pushing the ballons along the edge causing that scrapping noise with the edges.
<LI> Both my wife and I armed ourselves with firearms a cordless phone and a cell phone as we first went to check on the baby and then investigate the cause of the broken glass. It turned out that one of those shower poll spring things got undone and smashed into the window thus accounting for the breaking of the glass and the thud noise that we heard.
<LI> I had a stanger walk in out of the rain standing in my living room soaking wet. I sure felt better knowing that I had a S&W4513 in hand when I asked him to leave.
<LI> This might be specific to me as I live near a swamp but I wanted to throw it in for example purposes. I had an alligator make a dash toward my little one. Fortunately I was armed with a S&W4013, which I fired all ten rounds at the charging alligator to scare him away. {For those that did not read my original post, a fence has been installed and no alligators have come in although they do circle the fense from time to time especially after a heavy rain}
<LI> Slowly opened the door with gun in hand but hidden from view. Not seeing anyone, concealed weapon under shirt and went to investigate. Determined that we had lost electrical power earlier in the night and when the power came back on, it caused a short-circuit in the doorbell circuit. {For those that might be interested, a peephole has since been installed}</OL>After hearing a description of the situations and the course of action that I took, I'm curious which (if any) of these situations would have prompted YOU to have a gun at the ready?

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ditto. The answer to the question of when one is to be armed: All the time. What is the point of owning a defensive weapon if its not on or near you at all times?
 
This is interesting to me because I want to get a handgun, and plan to slowly get my wife used to the fact that I plan to have it accessible by the bed. She is very anti. Bad experience when a kid. Not a grabber, just not in her house, thank you. We are people of faith, but her faith is what I call 'fatalistic', meaning if its her time to go , it's her time to go. I do not subscribe to that brand of faith, and I believe my beliefs are well grounded biblically. that's another topic.

My worry is that if I keep it by the bed, and go armed to investigate rustling baloonns in my 2 year olds room, my wife would really freak. I will stand proud if I actually deter harm from my family by being armed, but taking heat to investigate a fallen tupperware container will only increas the pucker factor and discomfort in my family.
 
Investigated something thumping on the back door of my parents' house late one night with gun in hand. Never would have thought a cat could beat on a door so hard.

We came home one night to an unlocked door to the apartment. My wife swore she had locked it. I searched the house at Glockpoint. Tip: get a clear shower curtain or be willing to replace the one you have torn from the rings.

Was buying a gallon of milk late one night at local convenience store. As I walked out, several young men were loitering by a car in the parking lot. One said, "Oh $H!T, 5-0" which was gangspeak at that time for police officer. As I was wearing a fannypack I thought they were talking about me. I backed into the store. A few seconds later the police cruiser came by for another look at the lads who were piling into their car.

In all cases I was armed but didn't have to fire a shot. In two cases there wasn't even a threat present. But it's nice to know that you can defend yourself if necessary.

FUD, welcome it Florida. Now you know one of the reasons I'm moving to Indiana.
 
1. Investigate w/a gun/flashlight (we'll talk about that in a minute) while The Wife does the baricade bit with shotgun/locked door. Quite frankly, I'd hold off calling cops. You're in a rural area (me too) & response time sucks & I can't tell you why I wouldn't call 'em just yet. E-mail me & we'll talk if you like. Partly & politically correct answer is that if you do call cops for every suspicious sound you hear, eventually, you'll be a kook & they won't respond anyway. There are other reasons. Let's talk off-line.

2. Same as with #1 - except, if at all possible, I'd snatch said babe, place in Mom's care & ditto all else.

3. Of course - with all due caution - for your own safety & that of anyone that might, perchance be a "friendly."

4. Nope, you don't need to be armed, but, yes. Always. Boy Scout for life (in actuality & in practise) - be prepared. It can be a real hassle/pain in the butt - but, if you are caught short-handed, you'll never forgive yourself + you'll feel the idiot AND your family members/friends/yourself will be at some lunatic's mercy.

5. Re door without a peephole .... get yourself one of those wide-angled/parbolic/"things in this mirror are closer than they appear" thingies for extra viewing while driving (a car-type mirror) & mount it just outside your window (opposite side of window from door) closest/same wall to your door. That way, you don't have a peephole (folks have been shot in the eye because they looked into a peephole & the perp saw the shadow) but can still see (at 90 degrees through your window & at a distance from same) who's at your door - pretty trick all-in-all. Oh yeah - have a shooter handy & a flashlight.

Your answers:

1. We need to talk about using a flashlight while shooting two-handed (e-mail me). Again, as with the rapid reloading thing from your other post, practise is paramount. & still, better safe than sorry. You investigated - safely - & determined what the source of the noise was, didn't freak = shoot the balloons ;) & all was happy. If it was a nasty thing, you could have been SOL.

2. I think a bad tactic. See my above re barricade The Wife w/babe & you investigate.

3. See? ;)

4. Maybe lost track of your # system through the cut/paste bit .... but, still better safe than sorry & good idea re fence. We get dogs that aren't any fun at times & I'd just as soon smoke one as have to "give 'em one arm whilst the other is punchin' 'em out." :(

5. Again = be prepared. & that ain't being paranoid or nutso. Much better to have the tools at hand & not need 'em than to need 'em & not have 'em.

As with your HOA post, you done pretty good but, fortune appears to smile upon you a bit. A bit more thoughts re what could go wrong & training to accomodate same & you'll be all set. You do have the right mindset, FUD.
 
Came home one evening, my dog was going crazy. Balcony was closed,
front door too. Then I let my beast in, searching the house, me behind
with a loaded handgun. Turned out the burglar forced open the balcony
door, went in, and decided to have a nap. Being waken by a load of
large, pointy, German shepherd dog teeth in the arm, the drug addict
decided to slug it out. Turned out the dog was in much better shape
than the addict. Police rounded him up after I called my dog back.

I'll never forget the looks of the cops when they saw the gun. They
also saw the mess on the kitchen floor, being partially eaten food,
and lots of blood.

Jaffi has been a nightmare for most intruders. He lets them in, but
not out.
 
Anytime I hear unexplained noises, my first move is to arm myself. Since the minimum probable police response time is most likely 20 minutes at best ("...if all the gates are open", said one deputy.) I won't worry about 911.

Given my isolated location, the odds are that if the phone's not out, it ain't a neighbor.

If it ain' a neighbor, he belongs to me, but I'm not real excitable in these circumstances.

Out on the street, I'm in a nervous "Condition Yellow".

:), Art
 
1-4. All armed.

Was asleep one night. My dad [we were sharing a 2bdrm townhouse] comes home 'feelin good' from the bar. He opens the sliding door and goes to sleep on the floor. Next day, we find his bedroom window open...apparently someone came thru the door, went into his room and stole some jewelry and went out the window. Probably went out at the time I got up and had to pee.

Have had two guys try to rob me at night.

Have had one house 'cleaned out' while on vacation-didn't know if they were there when we got home.

I don't go unarmed anywhere anymore.

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I think you took the correct action as far as being armed. You don't HAVE to shoot, but if you need to you gotta have the gun.

I worked a night shift once and was home the next day in bed when I heard an irregular "ticking" noise. I got up and looked out a window. There was a guy at my son's bedroom window, trying to pry out the glass with a screwdriver, so I went into that room, yanked the blinds up and treated him to a view of a S&W .357. Boy, did he run! Sliced his leg up going over the chain link fence. I called it in and by good fortune there was a patrol unit a few blocks over; they found him limping along clutching his bloody leg and booked him for attempted B&E. His fingerprints were all over the window and there was window putty on the screwdriver in his pocket.

Another time, I heard a female voice come from my living room at 2AM, and since my wife was in bed beside me and our only child is a boy, I got up and took a gun and flashlight to investigate. Turns out we'd had a power flicker, and my brand new answering machine was announcing in a recorded voice that I needed to reset its clock. I did NOT shoot the answering machine.

The point is that there are far too many nasty people out there to be careless. If you hear a noise that should not be there, go armed, just be sure of your target before you use the weapon.
 
RH writes- <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>her faith is what I call 'fatalistic', meaning if its her time to go , it's her time to go.[/quote] I'd argue that, even for a fatalist, the only way to know it's your 'time' is to do everything you can to keep from going. If it is your 'time', the gun won't help, but even a fatalist can object to going early.
 
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