Hey everybody i need your help my Pistolpermit will be coming soon after the feds are done doing the background check. My question is this. When the permit comes i have to use it right. So what do i get. Im thinking Either a .40 or .45. I have fired 9mm .357 amg and .45 but not the .40 but the caliber interests me. I have held USPs Glocks and 1911 styles. The usp probably fits my hand the best and would like a nice caliber for hoe defense and some range time. Concealmentis not a big concern for me because i dont really have many places that i can carry legally that i go to right now. (School/college) CCW will ocme later when i graduate. So anybody with Experience with the big name automatics and these calibers please give me your opinions.
When the license comes which Pistol?
- Thread starter Smiley
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Smiley,
It would be helpful if you could answer a few questions, such as:
a) What's your budget?
b) How much handgun experience do you have?
c) Recognizing your post indicated little need for concealed carry now, would you like this sidearm to be concealable for potential future use, or will it strictly be used of target and range practice, plinking, and home defense?
d) Is there any particular caliber you wish absolutely to rule-out?
With this information, I suspect we shall be able to provide a much more reasoned response.
It would be helpful if you could answer a few questions, such as:
a) What's your budget?
b) How much handgun experience do you have?
c) Recognizing your post indicated little need for concealed carry now, would you like this sidearm to be concealable for potential future use, or will it strictly be used of target and range practice, plinking, and home defense?
d) Is there any particular caliber you wish absolutely to rule-out?
With this information, I suspect we shall be able to provide a much more reasoned response.
My budget is around $600 right now and i have a lot of exposure to firearms in general and a decent amount of actual usage at the range from my friends pistols and rifles. No formal trainin though. I am trying to stay away from 9mm for the simple reason that we are already covered for that in our group of range buddies. I am looking for 90% home defense and range time, however CCW will not be a point that would keep me from a good purchase. But for right now im looking for range/home defense. I plan on having a collection some day that will cover most situations.
Smiley,did I understand this correctly"looking for nice caliber for hoe defense" What in Gods name did you do that you have a bunch of hoes after you? 
Anyway with your budget and interest in .40 or .45. I'd take a look at the Glock 27 or the Glock 36. I have the 27 it's .40 cal. and I love it. Also another .40 to look at would be the Beretta Cougar 8040 also 8045.
Both of these are nice guns and good shooters.
Hope this helps
And my god man watch those hoes
Happy Shooting
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Anonymous
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Anyway with your budget and interest in .40 or .45. I'd take a look at the Glock 27 or the Glock 36. I have the 27 it's .40 cal. and I love it. Also another .40 to look at would be the Beretta Cougar 8040 also 8045.
Both of these are nice guns and good shooters.
Hope this helps
And my god man watch those hoes Happy Shooting
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Anonymous
[This message has been edited by loknload (edited September 05, 2000).]
Smiley,
Many experts suggest a .357 magnum revolver as a first handgun. A four-inch Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 is inexpensive (well under your $600 limit), extremely reliable and durable, very accurate, and it fires a very wide variety of both .357 mag and .38 Special rounds. For personal protection, there are few more potent sidearms than a four-inch .357 magnum loaded with a high-quality 125 or 158 grain hollow-point (such as Cor-Bon or Hydra-Shok). In addition, practicing with .38 Special ammunition will keep costs under control. I personally recommend the GP100.
If you only wish to consider semiautomatics, you will have some important decisions to make, including:
a) Single action (like the 1911A1), double action, or double action only?
b) Will a seven round magazine be adequate, or will you want eight or ten rounds?
c) Do you prefer the classic 1911A1-type autoloader (in .45 ACP) or a more contemporary (not to suggest better) design such as Glocks, Sigs, Rugers, H&Ks, etc.?
If you prefer a 1911A1 in .45 ACP, the Kimber Custom and the Springfield Loaded basic models have excellent reputations and are probably available -- if you shop carefully, perhaps via the Internet -- for around $600.
If you want a more contemporary design, you may first wish to determine the "size class" you prefer: Full-size, compact, or subcompact.
Once you have determined the size, I suggest you study the various features provided by the high-quality manufacturers. Sig, for example, has a de-cocker, Glock has its dual-trigger safety system, H&Ks generally have both an external safety and a de-cocker, and so forth. This investigation will likely result in a preference for one or two of the top-quality designs.
You probably can buy a new Glock, Ruger, and most other top-quality autoloaders for about $600; however, a new Sig or H&K is likely a "budget breaker". Nevertheless, excellent used Sig or H&K may be found for around $600.
Based on your pervious posts, I suspect the semiautomatic calibers you'll want to consider include the .40 S&W, the .357 Sig and the .45 ACP. All of these are excellent; discussions regarding which is best are never-ending and a lot like comparing pizza and ice cream. In my opinion (and please understand, this is only one fellow's observation), the .45 ACP round (regardless of the specific autoloader) is the best of the lot.
A final -- and important -- suggestion: Be certain you fire the candidate handguns you've selected before making the purchase. Compare their ergonomics, their hand and arm comfort, their sight picture, and their accuracy. It is most doubtful that a handgun you are uncomfortable with will become a trusted, accurate shooter -- regardless of reputation or cost. Similarly, if you feel fully comfortable with a handgun and it shoots with great accuracy for you, chances are it's a good buy.
Hope this helps and enjoy your new sidearm.
[This message has been edited by RWK (edited September 05, 2000).]
Many experts suggest a .357 magnum revolver as a first handgun. A four-inch Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 is inexpensive (well under your $600 limit), extremely reliable and durable, very accurate, and it fires a very wide variety of both .357 mag and .38 Special rounds. For personal protection, there are few more potent sidearms than a four-inch .357 magnum loaded with a high-quality 125 or 158 grain hollow-point (such as Cor-Bon or Hydra-Shok). In addition, practicing with .38 Special ammunition will keep costs under control. I personally recommend the GP100.
If you only wish to consider semiautomatics, you will have some important decisions to make, including:
a) Single action (like the 1911A1), double action, or double action only?
b) Will a seven round magazine be adequate, or will you want eight or ten rounds?
c) Do you prefer the classic 1911A1-type autoloader (in .45 ACP) or a more contemporary (not to suggest better) design such as Glocks, Sigs, Rugers, H&Ks, etc.?
If you prefer a 1911A1 in .45 ACP, the Kimber Custom and the Springfield Loaded basic models have excellent reputations and are probably available -- if you shop carefully, perhaps via the Internet -- for around $600.
If you want a more contemporary design, you may first wish to determine the "size class" you prefer: Full-size, compact, or subcompact.
Once you have determined the size, I suggest you study the various features provided by the high-quality manufacturers. Sig, for example, has a de-cocker, Glock has its dual-trigger safety system, H&Ks generally have both an external safety and a de-cocker, and so forth. This investigation will likely result in a preference for one or two of the top-quality designs.
You probably can buy a new Glock, Ruger, and most other top-quality autoloaders for about $600; however, a new Sig or H&K is likely a "budget breaker". Nevertheless, excellent used Sig or H&K may be found for around $600.
Based on your pervious posts, I suspect the semiautomatic calibers you'll want to consider include the .40 S&W, the .357 Sig and the .45 ACP. All of these are excellent; discussions regarding which is best are never-ending and a lot like comparing pizza and ice cream. In my opinion (and please understand, this is only one fellow's observation), the .45 ACP round (regardless of the specific autoloader) is the best of the lot.
A final -- and important -- suggestion: Be certain you fire the candidate handguns you've selected before making the purchase. Compare their ergonomics, their hand and arm comfort, their sight picture, and their accuracy. It is most doubtful that a handgun you are uncomfortable with will become a trusted, accurate shooter -- regardless of reputation or cost. Similarly, if you feel fully comfortable with a handgun and it shoots with great accuracy for you, chances are it's a good buy.
Hope this helps and enjoy your new sidearm.
[This message has been edited by RWK (edited September 05, 2000).]
No, Smiley doesn't have Hoe's after him, he's DEFENDING his hoe's!
Listen, I know I'm gonna get TAGGED for this, but I gotta say it anyway. It doesn't matter what the individual says he/she will use the gun for, SOMEBODY always says "get a Glock 27"!!! Now, Smiley said he wasn't going to carry much, if any. 90% hoe defense, and range time. The Glock 27 is NOT going to be the best gun for THAT purpose, even if it is a great carry gun. Glock 23, YES. Pinkie swingin, golfball-in-the-web-of-your-hand gripped 27, nope.
Smiley...
Glock makes GREAT guns. HK makes GREAT guns. Sig makes GREAT guns.
.40 is my FAVORITE caliber. Buy the one that feels best to you, and you WILL be happy.
(One last word...If you're defending your hoe's, most legal types will recommend AGAINST a single action trigger.)
Listen, I know I'm gonna get TAGGED for this, but I gotta say it anyway. It doesn't matter what the individual says he/she will use the gun for, SOMEBODY always says "get a Glock 27"!!! Now, Smiley said he wasn't going to carry much, if any. 90% hoe defense, and range time. The Glock 27 is NOT going to be the best gun for THAT purpose, even if it is a great carry gun. Glock 23, YES. Pinkie swingin, golfball-in-the-web-of-your-hand gripped 27, nope.
Smiley...
Glock makes GREAT guns. HK makes GREAT guns. Sig makes GREAT guns.
.40 is my FAVORITE caliber. Buy the one that feels best to you, and you WILL be happy.
(One last word...If you're defending your hoe's, most legal types will recommend AGAINST a single action trigger.)
Excuse me, but I thought that the traditional weapons for hoe defense were a .32 caliber revolver of unknown make with fake pearl grips and/or a straight razor hidden in your shoe?
Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe Jeff Cooper and Masaad Ayoob have written extensively on this subject.
But seriously Smiley, a SIG P220 in .45 ACP would serve you well. I love the 1911 but carry a P220 because I can rely on it to absolutely go bang when I need it to.
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Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe Jeff Cooper and Masaad Ayoob have written extensively on this subject.
But seriously Smiley, a SIG P220 in .45 ACP would serve you well. I love the 1911 but carry a P220 because I can rely on it to absolutely go bang when I need it to.
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"He is useless on top of the ground; he ought to be under it, inspiring the cabbages."
Mark Twain
Steve Smith
New member
If I were on a limited college budget, and waiting for a permit before I could even get my pimp-daddy bulldog, I'd get the Glock 32. I just found out about this gun and it's capabilities. It's a .357 Sig chambered pistol, but you can get a 9mm and 40 cal barrels, and a .22 barrel and slide for it...WITHOUT BUYING ANOTHER FRAME---IN OTHER WORDS, WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ANOTHER PERMIT OR GO THROUGH AN FFL!!! Just a thought.
Why does everyone suddenly think smaller is better? smiley get a gun that fits YOUR hand and that will be EASY and quick to put on target AND quick and easy to return to target for the double/triple tap! sorry Glock fans but your lil toys are BY DESIGN BACK UP GUNS! if I'm down to half a gun for self defense Fine I'll use a glock 26! otherwise I'll keep my Sig or Kimber!
I really did mean HOME Defense, as in house, I meant nothing else but the dwelling in which I reside. Wow thanks for all the great feedback. I am never gonna live that hoe thing down am I? Ya mke one spelling mistake while typing late at night and it will stick with you forever. Anyways, thanks for all the info it looks like I am going to the store to see if i can't try a few models out. Catch you later everybody.
Anyways, thanks for all the info it looks like I am going to the store to see if i can't try a few models out. Catch you later everybody.I may be a little late here, but I'd recommend a mid-sized 9mm or .40 from any one of the major manufacturers. My favorite's are the Glock 19/23, the Sig 228/229, the HK USP compact 9mm (not the .40 cause no hi-caps), and my favorite the Walther P99 (I like the 9mm).
The reason for the mid-size is that they fit my hand better, and can double as home/hoe defense as well as a carry gun. And don't let anyone hassle you about wanting to defend your garden tools!!!!
The reason for the mid-size is that they fit my hand better, and can double as home/hoe defense as well as a carry gun. And don't let anyone hassle you about wanting to defend your garden tools!!!!
maxinquaye
New member
Dude,
DON'T BUY ANY GUN AT ALL!!!
Save your money and MOVE as soon as possible!
DON'T BUY ANY GUN AT ALL!!!
Save your money and MOVE as soon as possible!
If he moves what about the hoes? He either has to find good homes for them or take them to the pound.
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"He is useless on top of the ground; he ought to be under it, inspiring the cabbages."
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"He is useless on top of the ground; he ought to be under it, inspiring the cabbages."
Mark Twain
[This message has been edited by B27 (edited September 07, 2000).]
9mm-----Glock 19 or 26
45ACP---- Glock 30 forget the 36, it's overrated IMHO!!!
10mm----Glock 29
357SIG--- Glock 33
All these weapons will serve you well with or without a CCW. They also fall right into your price range.
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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent
"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
45ACP---- Glock 30 forget the 36, it's overrated IMHO!!!
10mm----Glock 29
357SIG--- Glock 33
All these weapons will serve you well with or without a CCW. They also fall right into your price range.
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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent
"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
I second the "forget the Glock 36" idea. If your buying a gun for home defense the 30 is a much better option.
Dude, go to your gunstore, handle a Sig 220, an HK USP in .45, A Glock 30, and then a Kimber or Springfield 1911. Odds are the 1911 will feel the best (millions of Americans can't be wrong
) then try to find a range where you can test out these guns. After you realize that the 1911 is the ultimate .45 and the most fun to shoot at the range, return to your gunstore and buy whichever is cheaper (Kimber/Springfield). if the 1911 exceeds your budget, Go with your second choice the Glock 30. Good luck and have fun.
p.s., drop the .40 idea unless you plan on carrying. I like .40 S&W, especially the
G 27, but it's no fun to shoot at the range (innacurate). If you get the G 30 you've got all the bases covered but only if you can legally carry.
Dude, go to your gunstore, handle a Sig 220, an HK USP in .45, A Glock 30, and then a Kimber or Springfield 1911. Odds are the 1911 will feel the best (millions of Americans can't be wrong
) then try to find a range where you can test out these guns. After you realize that the 1911 is the ultimate .45 and the most fun to shoot at the range, return to your gunstore and buy whichever is cheaper (Kimber/Springfield). if the 1911 exceeds your budget, Go with your second choice the Glock 30. Good luck and have fun.p.s., drop the .40 idea unless you plan on carrying. I like .40 S&W, especially the
G 27, but it's no fun to shoot at the range (innacurate). If you get the G 30 you've got all the bases covered but only if you can legally carry.