not to derail, but I have started using Rio buckshot "Royal Buck" lately and I really like it. its power, tight and reliable. I love the polymer (cap??) that's on the top that gives it the rounded edges, slips into shellholders easier and appears to feed better in my buddies Mossberg (930?) semi that has a problem choking on a lot of different stuff. we used the Rio's a couple weeks ago and it was the first time we had a full session w/o a jam, was that due to the rounded edges? who knows, but I worked better for one reason or another. I paid 1.99 a box for it on clearance at LGS, grabbed about 20 boxes, should have gotten more. If it runs as cheap as estate or other "budget" bucks, give it a try.