What's your opinions?

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Christina Whittington

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Hey, I am a friend of Darthmaum and Jedi Omodo. I went to the gun show with them this weekend. My husband is just now (after a year and a half) interested in guns.
He (my husband) liked the Springfield 1911 that he picked up. But, Darth and Jedi said that they were not good guns to start on. And, that they jam a lot. Darth used to have one, and hers did jam a lot. Can you'll give me your stories on Springfields and or 1911s?
Also, Darth said something about Colt Defenders not being good either. Can you'll give me any advise on this aswell. I just want a lot of opinions.
Also, I would like everyones opinion on scopes for deer hunting. I saw a really good deal on a Savage Arms 30.06, with a Simmons scope, hard case, and strap for about 330.00. Can you'll tell me what you'll think about this, and if I wanted a better scope later, what brands are the best?
Thanks,

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C. Whittington
 
My Springfield is great so far! ( 1 week and 200 rounds through it) I have several friends with Springfield 1911s. Some are out of the box guns- some are tricked out- all are great guns. Enjoy the gun!

Erik
 
Christina; I've owned alot of pistols and have shot alot of pistols. The least reliable is the 1911 type of handgun. The 1911 types have alot of history behind them and they feel good in the hand. There's alot of other guns that make more sense to beginners. First of all you might want to start with a revolver instead of a semi-auto. Quality, reliable, and reasonbly priced are the pistols from Ruger if you still want a semi-auto. Smith&wesson makes good semi-auto's also. I just ordered a savage myself because my brother-in-law wants me to go deer huntin' with him this fall. I've decided on a bausch&Lomb or leupold scope in 3-9x. I've heard nothing but good comments on these scopes. The simmons I've heard good and bad. Well, good luck. I'm sure you'll be getting a bunch of good input. j.s.
 
If you like the 1911 there are some very reliable makes out there, but they aint generally cheap. A great first pistol is a Glock - makes for an easy transition to the 1911 later on if you decide to spend the $.
 
I'll take the easy one first: The Savage sounds like a very good deal. I have a Simmons "44 Mag" 3X9 on one of my .30-'06s, and it works just fine.

Contrary to JS Parker's experience, I have never had a problem with a Colt-manufacture 1911 Government. Granted, all of mine are either older models, or are ancient military surplus guns. All of them have always been very reliable. I started shooting the Government model in 1950.

Most of the problems with the "Gummint" stem from folks trying to do gunsmithing on them as "homemade custom", and they just don't know what they're doing. Or they bend the magazine lips and gripe because the gun won't feed. And so it goes...

FWIW, Art
 
I have one of the full size Springfield Armory "Loaded" model .45's which I use for IDPA matches.

I haven't had any problems with it, and its had about 1,500 rounds fired through it so far.

I did replace the stock two piece guide rod and plug with a GI style guide rod and plug before shooting it. Maybe that's why I haven't had any trouble with it.




[This message has been edited by dvc (edited February 23, 2000).]
 
My 10yr old Springfield 1911 has been a great gun. Ultra reliable and accurate. The newer "Loaded" models are even better. Definately a good gun.
 
Springfield makes one of the best Factory guns on the market. They are good solid guns and a good value. Like all 1911's they take a little extra work to tune up - the 1911 is like a Hot Rod that way... You dont buy a Hot Rod to drive around in like your Honda. If you want a 1911 thats ready for anything right from the box, Springfield makes those too - at a higher price. I now have 4 Springfields - all are TOP NOTCH. the so called "Loaded" model is JUST FINE. The higher-end models are even better. My TRP is one of the best 1911's I have ever held. Bar None. I would put my TRP up against a Wilson Combat or Les Baer pistol ANY TIME, ANY DAY.
Dead serious here - I would put a "Loaded" model up against a Wilson Combat or Les Baer as well. It might not have the spit and polish - but it is just as good a shooter. Next Utah TFL get together, some one bring a Wilson or Baer - and we'll have a comparison... You shoot yours, I'll shoot mine - and I bet my group will look just as good as yours (or better) with no failures.
Wether or not mine isnt as pretty - well - thats something cosmetic.
 
Go with the Springfield. I've got a bit over 7K rounds through mine with no hiccups. IMHO, S.A.'s Loaded Series is the best value in the 1911 family, (with the possible exception of the Charles Daily, I haven't seen one of them, so I with-hold comment)

Eric
 
OK, thanks everyone for your advise. My husband said that one of the things he liked about the Springfield was the type of trigger it had. I don't know what you call it, but I was wondering if you'll knew any other guns have this kind of trigger.


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C. Whittington
 
You can STILL get a colt 1991a1 (thats a mil-spec 1911) for under $400 and they are really good guns. I have 2 colt 1911's , one is a fifties vintage commander, and the other is a 1991a1 with a custom double action frame.

there are a number of guns that operate LIKE a 1911.. most notably the browning hi-power (p-35).

the ONLY poorly made 1911's I've seen were by a company called AMT and sold as a 'hardballer"

Dr.Rob
 
Don't forget the CZ-75! It operates a lot like the 1911/hipower, with some extras:

1. You can carry it all the different ways you carry a 1911, because it can be used single-action and has the same kind of safety. OR, you can carry it like a Glock, double action with the safety off. OR you can carry it double action with the safety on. This will be like a 1911 with a heavier, longer trigger pull.
The only problem with a CZ-75 or a Hi-Power is that if you want to carry Condition 1 (cocked and locked, with the hammer cocked and the safety on) they don't have a grip safety like the 1911. The grip safety on the 1911 keeps bad things from happening sometimes if the other safety is accidently taken off, although I hear that's awfully rare.

2. Ergonomics. Some people prefer the 1911 or HiPower over the CZ, I'm the opposite. I've never held anything as comfortable as a CZ except clones of the same.

All in all, I like the idea of being able to carry it as a double action until you're comfortable with carrying a single action, which is often easier to shoot really well but requires more training and practice. A 1911 can only be used single action, and a Glock can only be used double action, so if you decide you prefer one mode later on, you're stuck with what you have.

But these are all my biases. I would say don't try to start out with a 1911, they're for people who have gotten fairly good and want something capable of a bit more. Corvettes are nice cars but they're fickle and you have to know what you're doing to use them to their potential.
Good luck and have fun shopping for guns!
 
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