What's Up At The NRA?

Randy B

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I found the following article at www.thenewamerican.com Being an NRA life member, I'm concerned. My posting this article should not be considered as any kind of attack on the NRA. But I do think some questions need to be answered. I'd like to get your comments about the article. Thanks.
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The NRA’s Gun Control Schizophrenia
by William F. Jasper

For all its blustery rhetoric about standing firm for the right to keep and bear arms, the National Rifle Association’s continuing concessions to gun control exhibit the signs of a split personality.

One might think from the oceans of venom and ink hurled at the National Rifle Association by President Clinton, Sarah Brady, and the anti-gun fanatics of the Establishment press that the NRA is the unwavering, unshakable, and indefatigable champion of the natural right of all Americans to keep and bear arms. Is not the simple fact that NRA leaders Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre are daily pilloried and burned in effigy by the disarmament zealots proof positive that they are the premier defenders of the Second Amendment?

Yes, the NRA is the arch-villain whom gun-banning extremists love to hate. It is the largest, oldest, wealthiest, most powerful gun-rights organization on the planet. But is the venerable gun group worthy of the odium heaped upon it by its enemies? We wish it were. However, as we shall show, it is getting more and more difficult to look at the record and rhetoric of the NRA without seeing a chronicle of piecemeal, strategic surrender. For all its bluster about standing four-square and forever firm against all infringements on the right of private citizens to own firearms, the NRA appears to have already resigned itself to gradual defeat on its most basic issues. Now, it seems, the organization is completely preoccupied with convincing its loyal and generous members that its concessions (some might say betrayals is more accurate) on vital gun rights are victories, not defeats.

Strange Bedfellows

Who would have thought, for instance, that they would live to see the day when the NRA would be lining up shoulder to shoulder with its nemesis, Handgun Control, Inc., to applaud the biggest-ever expansion of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF)? Yet that is what we saw earlier this year, when President Clinton proposed to double the ranks of ATF inspectors and increase the number of ATF gun agents by 23 percent. What’s more, the Clinton package called for a vast new army of federal, state, and local prosecutors to "fight gun crimes."

The Chicago Tribune, in a January 18th story entitled "Clinton plans gun-law enforcement push," described the plan thusly: "President Clinton plans to announce today an initiative that the White House is calling the biggest gun enforcement push in history, a $280 million plan to hire 500 new firearms-law enforcers and 1,100 gun-crime prosecutors." The story went on to report that "representatives of Handgun Control Inc. and the National Rifle Association both applauded the idea."

The Tribune story continued:

"We’ve often said that strong enforcement is needed, and one key is boosting ATF," said Handgun Control President Robert Walker. Meanwhile, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said he backs the plan, but he was skeptical the administration would follow through.

"I don’t want to declare victory on this without letting it be known that we will hold them to it and monitor their performance and report to the American people," LaPierre said. "It better be more than just a sound bite, but we’re for it in a big, big, way," he said.

Yes, this is the same ATF whose agents the NRA once described as "jack-booted government thugs." Has some miraculous transformation that we do not know about come over the Clinton thugocracy to render it less hostile to private gun ownership and more solicitous of the Second Amendment? Have the ATF’s minions turned in their jack-boots and SWAT regalia for ballet slippers and tutus? Have Bill Clinton or Janet Reno said or done anything in recent memory to support any illusion of hope that, with these hundreds of new agents and prosecutors, the ATF and Department of Justice might go after real criminals rather than using these new resources to entrap, persecute, and prosecute gun owners, as they have done in the past?

The NRA leadership apparently thinks so, but they can cite very little evidence to support such false hopes. Oh, they are very high now on their new pet project: Project Exile. In full-page newspaper ads last year, the NRA urged Congress to "Adopt and fund Project Exile nationally … every violent felon caught with a gun goes to jail for 5 years, period." Under the Exile program, state and local prosecutors assist and defer to federal prosecutors, who have a more "streamlined" process and tougher sentencing. And, undoubtedly, they can point to some genuine victories in taking violent felons off the street, but at a cost of doing extreme violence to our country’s constitutional separation of powers.

Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court William Rehnquist has emphatically warned of the dangers from the recent vast expansions of "federal jurisdiction over crimes involving drugs and firearms," as well as taken notice of the perilous trend to "federalize" certain juvenile crimes. "Unless steps are taken to stop or reverse this trend," said Justice Rehnquist in his 1998 State of the Judiciary report, "either the demands placed on the federal judiciary will eventually outstrip its resources, or the judiciary will become so large that it will lose its traditional character as a distinctive judicial form of limited jurisdiction."

Justice Rehnquist went on to wisely note:

The pressure in Congress to appear responsive to every highly publicized societal ill or sensational crime needs to be balanced with an inquiry into whether states are doing an adequate job in these particular areas and, ultimately, whether we want most of our legal relationships decided at the national rather than local level. Federal courts were not created to adjudicate local crimes, no matter how sensational or heinous the crimes may be. State courts do, can, and should handle such problems.

These concerns have been echoed recently by the National Sheriffs Association, the National District Attorneys Association, and the American Bar Association, all of which have decried the continued encroachment of the federal government on state and local jurisdictions. People who treasure the freedom that flows from assiduously maintaining our constitutional checks and balances and separation of powers will not see a solution to our problems of crime and violence in calling on Washington to — as the NRA says — "just enforce the laws already on the books." Many of those federal laws are already unconstitutional and should be repealed, not enforced.

Even if the Clinton/Reno Justice Department could be held to going after only violent criminals (surely a vain hope), expanding federal police and prosecuting resources and authority will come back to ensnare us in many ways. Nevertheless, in his May 27, 1999 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Crime, NRA Executive Director Wayne R. LaPierre reiterated the group’s endorsement of this federalizing trend. While rightly and forcefully condemning the draconian, full-speed-ahead gun control proposals tendered by the notoriously anti-gun Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), LaPierre offered as an alternative a reduced-speed package headed in the same direction. Said the NRA exec:

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone."

• "We think it’s reasonable to prevent all juveniles convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, for life."

• "We think it’s reasonable to provide full funding for the National Instant Check System so it operates efficiently and instantly."

• "We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act."

• "We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government."

Each of the NRA’s "reasonable" endorsements constitutes support for federal usurpation of power and an expansion of the federal police state. Let’s just look at its endorsement of "full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government." That stance puts the NRA in the position of accepting the false claims of the gun control lobby that Congress may constitutionally infringe on gun rights. It also lends credence to the notion that the anti-gun laws Congress already has passed, if fully enforced, could curb firearm-related criminal activity without eviscerating the Second Amendment. Ergo, if enforcement of existing federal legislation helps reduce crime, why not enact more to further reduce, or eliminate, crime?

Consistently Inconsistent

The NRA assures its members in no uncertain terms that it is dead-set against firearms registration, rightly pointing out that, in country after country, registration lists have been used by governments to seize the means of defense against tyranny. In fact, it says gun registration is "inherently evil." In a position statement entitled "Licensing and Registration," posted on its website on April 9th, the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action states that, for gun owners, "perhaps only one other word in the English language so boils their blood as the word ‘registration,’ and that word is ‘confiscation.’ Gun owners fiercely believe those words are ominously related."

Indeed they are. Which is what makes the NRA’s insistent support for the National Instant Check System (NICS) so incredible and so dangerous. The "instant check" system provides the basis and the means for a national, computerized firearms registration database.

The 1993 Brady law authorized a temporary five-day waiting period, applicable only to handgun purchases, for five years, to be superseded after November 30, 1998 by an "instant check" system that would cover rifles and shotguns as well. The chief proponent of the "instant check" compromise was the NRA, which has resolutely defended it ever since. During the heat of battle over the Brady bill, NRA lobbyists, rather than standing firm in opposition to the measure, became more concerned about modifications that would "improve" it and make it acceptable. USA Today for October 26, 1993 quoted NRA spokesman James Baker as saying, "We already support 65 percent of the Brady bill, because it moves to an instant check, which is what we want."

Now, in its "Licensing and Registration" statement, the NRA tells its members: "Enactment of the Brady Act, for example, establishes the principle of a national gun licensing system. Once a lenient national handgun licensing system is established, the licensing system can gradually be tightened, and police, as they have done in Great Britain, can begin inventing their own conditions to put on licenses." Why didn’t NRA leaders recognize this danger before, when it was supporting the instant-background-check provision in Brady, against the protests of many of its most experienced members, as well as against the advice of many other gun groups?

And why does the NRA leadership continue to support the NICS when their own research and experience shows it to be faulty, costly, and abusive? On March 9th, the NRA posted on its website a harsh critique entitled, "GAO Finds Fault With FBI’s NICS Operation," which points out that "the FBI’s ‘Instant Check’ often isn’t ‘instant’ for honest citizens." The federal Government Accounting Office report, notes the NRA, "shows that the system failed to provide ‘instant’ checks 28% of the time, adversely affecting the rights of nearly 1.2 million law-abiding citizens. Nearly one-quarter of the citizens who appealed had their denials reversed. Those wrongful denials, GAO reports, were caused by FBI examiner error in 42% of the cases."

A more serious problem with the NICS is to be found in the NRA’s own pending lawsuit against the Justice Department, for making the NICS into precisely what its opponents warned it would become: a national registration system. Under directives from Attorney General Reno, the FBI has been maintaining the records of people who have applied to purchase firearms. The NICS was sold as a system that would provide an "instant check" to assure that the applicant did not have a criminal record. But, we were assured, there would be no permanent record made of applications, which would constitute a form of registration. Guess what? The Reno DOJ/FBI illegally insists on making those "instant" checks into permanent records. That should come as no surprise. What doesn’t compute is the NRA leadership’s continued support for this proven threat to rights it claims to cherish and defend.

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Didnt Lapierre turn around and bascially apologize for calling them 'jack booted thugs' or was that just more word of mouth.
Eventually Ill figure out why all of the above sounds more familiar to me.
As far as the mentioned 'enforcement of federal laws by the (trusted) federal government' which amouts to the same people who were so skillfully used at waco and ruby ridge Im going to add the following Neal KNox article which highlights how helpful
this push for enforcement has been for not only the gunowner but the small gun dealer.
I subscribe to the new american nice to see their online.And am a pround member of the
JOhn brich society the only org lobbying to get us out of the UN.
Neal Knox Report

Collector Crackdown Coming

By Neal Knox

WASHINGTON, D.C. (June 10)-There are signs that BATF-the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms-is making, and about to make, a major new assault against gun show sales. And, with steadily increasing resources combined with steadily declining numbers of Federally licensed dealers to "inspect" they're moving more into the realm of dealer harassment than ever before.

Some of this activity is legitimate-if unwelcome-enforcement of Federal laws that should never have been passed (which is why I shudder every time NRA says "enforce existing gun laws," without discriminating between laws targeting criminal misuse and gun swaps that most states consider lawful).

But, some "dealer oversight" over-steps BATF's lawful authority-which is anything but a new phenomenon.

For instance, BATF inspectors have no authority to copy sales records, but licensed dealers seldom object. Few FFL's can afford the cost-either the legal expenses or the risk of increased trace requests and additional inspections.

I recently talked with a dealer who is ready to go to court over unauthorized record-copying - for he wants to protect the privacy of his customers, and is properly concerned about being subject to a civil lawsuit from those customers if he doesn't.

In his case, the BATF agent had spent the better part of a month copying names, addresses and serial numbers into her laptop-which probably violates the prohibitions against registration in the amended Gun Control Act and every BATF appropriations law since I was NRA-ILA director.

Other dealers have told me they've been subjected to great increases in the number of costly trace requests, including guns bought and still possessed by law-abiding citizens.

The owner of one long-lived dealership told me he started getting an unusual number of trace requests on old purchases. His friendly agent suggested he could avoid digging into ancient files by getting a new license, and sending all those old purchase records to BATF-which he did.

The number of trace requests (without regard to sales volume) is the phony criteria being used to identify "bad apple" dealers now subjected to "enhanced enforcement." And traces can be used to cut off sales under the terms of the S&W-Clinton Administration agreement.

Just as BATF has pushed the envelope on gun law interpretation, so have gun collectors and traders-either out of ignorance, confusion or unwillingness to comply with pointless laws they consider unconstitutional.

For instance, an FFL I've known for years didn't want me to bother filling out a Form 4473 on a high-grade rifle I purchased at an out-of-state gun show.

A resident of a northwestern state showed me a fine U.S. Switch & Signal M1911A1 he had just bought at a Texas show. When I asked how he had possession, he "explained" that the GCA's prohibitions against interstate transfers no longer applied to collector handguns-and even more think they no longer apply to long guns bought or received as gifts from individuals.

They do.

Just how much confusion reigns among both dealers and BATF agents is indicated by an article and editorial in the June 5 Denver Post. It details the indictment last November of "Trader Jim" Gowda, an Arvada, Colo., FFL accused of selling eight guns without obtaining names and addresses, including to a felon and a Wyoming resident.

But BATF told the newspaper he had sold "thousands" of guns without paperwork at gun shows in various states, "hundreds" to "suspected criminals," and completed Form 4473's and NICS checks on only few.

Gowda says he was selling guns from his personal collection at the shows, and didn't believe federally licensed dealers had to document all sales.

Gowda and a partner were indicted in 1978 for dealing without a license and selling to a non-resident. He received pre-trial diversion after a guilty plea, and the indictment was dropped.

To "get legal" he obtained his FFL in 1980. In 1990 he was inspected. In 1996, BATF agents raided his home, seized all but four of 227 guns, claiming they were "improperly acquired." After three more years selling at shows, he was indicted in November.

His attorney says Gowda is a victim of a "changing climate" since the Columbine massacre. BATF's Denver enforcement chief says that the agency is now focussing on gun show dealers-and, inferentially, their buyers.

And in Illinois, the attorney general says U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) is backing his $850,000 request for a Federal grant for a state "special unit" to investigate and prosecute "internet and gun show sales."
To begin receiving Neal Knox's bi-monthly newsletter, send a contribution of $25 or more to The Firearms Coalition, 7771 Sudley Rd. No. 44, Manassas, VA 20109. For current news, call 1-900-225-3006 (89 cents per minute) or visit http://www.NealKnox.com (free). You can read an up-to-date version of the Knox Report at www.shotgunnews.com. >>>
As always Im more thankful than ever to James Jay Baker and every NRA member supporting him for lobbying to get congress to spend more money on 'enforcing' current gunlaws and in their own special way ligitimizing their constitutionality.
As of now I really dont think they have filed a friend of court statement on the ever important Emerson case.
Especially since Jim didnt seem to have access to a copy of it, not an insult he simply didnt seem to at the time would LOVE to corrected on that though.
I dont want to have a reason to insult the NRA but when the reason's involve my right's
Im sure as heck going to share them.






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Would "500 new firearms-law enforcers and 1,100 gun-crime prosecutors." cause enough citizen uproar to increase the NRA's membership and coffers 25%?

I guess the question is: does the NRA exist to protect American gun rights or do they exist to increase the NRAs power, wealth and holdings?

They are not mutually exclusive goals but...

They have spent alot of money on the Headquarters building. Our ILA donations pay for some really nice lunches in Washington DC.


dZ
 
Hi Randy B. You wanted comments.

William F. Jasper said it all, just the way I feel. The more I read the more I distrust the NRA. Could it be job security in this NWO?

My dollars will no longer go to the NRA.

GOA and Ron Paul will recive them. I have not been to happy with the NRA for sometime now, this is the straw that broke this camels back.
 
DZ- would you give us more detail.Im confused as to how more NRA members would oppose the problem.
The addition of more BATF agents has been proposed as a part of the 'project exile' solution(as if?) and if the information in the above article if correct this is something that as usual the NRA leadership finds reasonable and has no problem with.
very happy to see the NRA's friend of court statement.
DZ-GOA beleives self defense and protection should be as the constitution set it up in the hands of the people not the government especially not the feds and that rearming the many disarmed victims of gun control would be far more beneficial than enforcing unconstitutional gunlaws.
COINNEACH- your comments are always so elequent just had to say I alwasy enjoy hearing from you.

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Where, oh where are you, Joe" nralife", when we need you?

Attending another NRA luncheon in that big, expensive new building of yours again?

Or, perhaps, plugging away downstairs in that spanking new, expensive hi-tech shooting range, the one thats only open to "special members" of the National Rifle Association, eh ?

Never mind :)

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My "strawman" is that maybe the NRA is supporting the addition of BATF agents because the increase in BATF activity will stir the public pot and more people will join the NRA.

How much money has the MMM made for the NRA?

GOA got a check from me yesterday

dZ
 
Hey, we all know the NRA ain't perfect, but the writer of this article and some of you guys are seeing demons where there are none. I prefer Project Exile type programs to more gun control any day of the week. Of course, we need to see that these programs are run as they were intended, which is to prosecute convicted felons in possession of guns and not honest gun owners may have unintentionally run afoul of the law do to some paperwork snafu. The key to having these programs run right is to have an administration in place that is not hostile to honest gun owners. This is just one more of the many reasons that Bush needs to be elected come this November! We can hold his feet to the fire and with the help of Dick Cheney, Bush will rein in the BATF.

With all of the talk the NRA has done about Clinton's lack of enforcing the existing laws and with LaPierre's statement that Klinton will tolerate a certain level of killing in order to further his gun control agenda, the NRA had little choice when Klinton pretended to call their bluff by beefing up the BATF. The NRA had to agree with Klinton. Of course HCI Inc is for anything that Klinton can use to give gun owners grief. If those new BATF agents are used for rounding up convicted felons at gun stores who are trying to purchase firearms illegally, I see no big problems with that. Again we need a firearm friendly president in office like Bush who will make sure that the BATF doesn't overstep their intended bounds and start persecuting honest gun owners. Think long and hard before you vote for a third party candidate who has no chance of winning! :)

As far as NICS goes and the illegal keeping of purchaser records by the BATF in some sort of registration scheme, just who in the heck do you think is suing the federal government to force the BATF to quit collecting information and to destroy the purchaser records in a timely manner??? The NRA, that's who!!!

Let's all quit falling for the rhetoric that comes from those who would like to tear down the NRA just to build up their own progun groups.

Remember guys, our best hope lies with a firearm friendly decision in the Supreme Court when Emerson or some other case gets there. One good decision will set the anti's back 100 years! Let's not let Al Gore pick the next 4 Supreme Court justices!

Joe



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NRALife: I'm STILL waiting for the apology from LaPierre, the "Alright, you were right and I was wrong!", to all of us who TOLD HIM that the instant check system would be perverted into gun registration. This was not an unexpected developement, it was a predictable as the sun rising in the morning!

Just as, I might add, the expansion of the BATF was a predictable consequence of Project Exile. As is the enforcement of laws that outrage us against ourselves.

In other words, the NRA is suing to stop something anyone with two brain cells connected knew was going to be the result of something the NRA pushed.

Want to know another predictable consequence of Project Exile: When Emerson gets to the Supreme court, the counsel for the government will say to the Justices, "Your honors, how could laws the NRA itself demands be enforced, be contrary to the Second amendment?"

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[This message has been edited by Brett Bellmore (edited August 10, 2000).]
 
"Your honors, how could laws the NRA itself demands be enforced, be contrary to the Second amendment?"

Exactly what part of the violation of the 5th Amendment in depriving emerson of his 2nd Amendment rights is the NRA supporting?

Maybe Clinton and the government is implementing gun buy back and destruction of guns (seizures) to help create a product need for the gun companies, so in this circular logic Clinton supports the gun companies by destroying their older products so demand for new ones will increase. Wow I know the auto makers are just wishing that such an event will befall them.
 
Any time I see an "analysis" of the position of a conservative organization by an organ of the media, my skepticism goes into racing gear. Wordsmiths do an outstanding job of weaving together a collection of facts into a cloth that is totally wrong in its conclusions.

The NRA is big, getting bigger, rich, getting richer, powerful and getting more powerful. That suits me just fine for now. I do think the NRA has a problem with its own identity. Sometimes I think its an advocacy group, or a lobbying organization, or an educational foundation, or a political group, or an entertainment group, etc. My point is the NRA will appear to be a squishy organization when compared to the GOA for example. GOA is clearly defined compared to the NRA. However, the NRA is beg, rich, powerful, and for this election cycle, loaded for bear.

If I was king I'd prefer to see a blue gazillion interest groups dedicated to the Second Amendment much the same as the anti-2's. Each group would be highly focused on one aspect of the debate. If Clinton can compromise the FBI, Justice Department, military, etc. he will eventually compromise the NRA. The task is somewhat more difficult if there are lots of targets.



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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

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