What would happen if Kerry is elected?

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I have already decided to vote for Bush, because John "I must say whatever is neccesary to get votes" Kerry is too flipant for me... but I do wonder, if this man is elected and does try to put a ban on firearms... what will that mean? Is his ideal victory a complete firearm ban, making all firearms illegal to own? or just illegal to carry in public? I seriously cannot bring myself to vote for a man that has his twisted pathological lying pattern.

And as for all these personal attacks from Kerry... Bush may have not done the best job while in office the last few years, I don't know; but what I do know is that critisizing every move someone has made and having the advantage of hind-sight to tell everyone how he would have done it better, is not a very fair fight!
 
What could happen is Chief Justice Hillary Rodham Clinton!

Just guess how long the Second Amendment would live after that.
 
Actually, there's no requirements to become a justice of the SCOTUS. They have to be trained at law, one would assume, and H.R. Clinton has been a lawyer for a long time. No, the real thing that would keep Hillary out of the SCOTUS is a little process known as "Congressional confirmation." ;)
 
No, the real thing that would keep Hillary out of the SCOTUS is a little process known as "Congressional confirmation."
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Really?

When was the last time the Senate refused to confirm a USSC nominee of the Democrats?
 
If you believe the NRA magazine this month, it will be a 4-year, constant massive barrage of gun bans and infringements, the likes of which you've never seen. I happen to believe that they're 100% correct (if the dems get the congress too anyway).

When was the last time the Senate refused to confirm a USSC nominee of the Democrats?
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I don't know the answer to that, but it is a good question, and it is an important one, since Chief Justice Rehnquist just came down with thyroid cancer. And they certainly must confirm SOMEONE at some point from a Dem prez, if the prez is a dem, that is, if vacancies occur early in the prez term, because to do otherwise would bring the work of the SCOTUS to a screeching halt, IINM. But of course the prez would have to nominate someone that they *thought* would be confirmed by a repub-controlled senate, because they don't want to be "defeated" by having their nomimee booted, so a dem prez would have an interest in nominating someone with centrist leanings.
 
Dark days ahead if he wins. The only good thing I see is that he will be such a horrible leader that it will ensure that the next election will swing to the conservatives. Maybe Hillary will have to opt for the SCOTUS rather than a run for the presidency after Kerry embarasses the Democrats, the nation and humanity.
 
Do i believe all guns will be banned if kerry wins? No. Why? Political expediency. Kerry has made it clear that he is a "hunter" and "likes guns". Now what you and i define as hunter and gun lover is different than kerry, but the fact remains that if senator kerry were to ban guns, it would be the worst thing in the world for the democratic party. I think as we can see, there are a decent number of democrats who are gun owners (and even some gun nuts), and in the next election, everyone would clearly be able to say "kerry lied." and there would be no way to weasle around it. So guns will not be banned under kerry.

Don't look for a ban. Just look for a continuation of the gradual erosion of rkba.

The worst thing is not what kerry might do on his own. I figure that if kerry wins, the "only" thing we will see is some sort of awb, probably in a beefed up form, but not necessarily, with no sunset clause (not that this is mild, and i believe it would suck, but compared to what some countries have to deal with, its not bad, depending on the severity. At most, we can hope for a copy of the 1994 law. At worst, a ban on all semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines. . . .which would be extremely bad. . .but i don't THINK something like that would pass in congress. . .)Which leads me to my next point:

The key is congress. Why: because while i do not believe that Kerry will (on his own) push antigun legislation other than an awb, i strongly believe that if any kind of bill to try to restrict the our right to keep and bear arms, kerry will use the bully pulpit. And, if kerry gets elected, THAT is the key. From a gun standpoint, congress is more important than the presidency, because, uptimately, it will be congreww who has the final say in the matter. If congress is strong, they will be able to stand up to an antigun president. If not. . . .then we will find ourselves with much more than an extension of that farce that was called the "assault weapons ban" come 2008. . . .


*gets off soapbox*
 
Is it even feasable that he will push to change the 2nd ammendment? Isn't that anti-American?
greypilgrim: So, basically what you are saying is that if he is elected, the handgun owners will not see any change other than maybe another hi-cap mag ban or something similar... but that we should be ok as far as concealed carry? I know that some states are having a hard time with concealed carry laws right now, but Alabama (where I live) is pretty relaxed about it. Is there any chance that this will be affected if kerry is elected?
 
Let's see; I predict we will have participation (and payment) in the U.N. and it's criminal enterprizes, huge domestic and overseas spending, a never-ending occupation of places like Yugoslavia and Iraq, huge continued import trade with countries like China, an enormous export of manufacturing jobs and then other catagories going overseas, wide open borders and hordes of illegal immigrants - not to mention others - coming in, ever increasing federal powers for the "war on terror" and probably an attack or invasion of Iran or Syria among other country.
 
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What would happen if Kerry is elected?
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For the first time the American people would have elected a known traitor to the United States.

Bubba Clinton certainly sympathized with our enemies before coming to office, but John "Victor Charlie" Kerry was actually in league with them, having met (in NO official capacity) with the North Vietnamese in Paris while still a United States Naval officer.

That the election that would bring him to power would be rife with voter fraud would be of little comfort.
 
Is it even feasable that he will push to change the 2nd ammendment? Isn't that anti-American?
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For the last 3 decades he has both pushed to abolish the 2nd amendment, and been anti-American.

What isn't even feasible is that a traitor like Kerry would change his evil ways so late in life. Not that I don't pray every day that he will, it's just that I am a realist.
 
Johndavid: what i am saying is that I don't THINK that kerry will push to ban hanndguns. I only believe he will push for a renewed awb. However, this congressmen (or women) *could* attach something which bans all pistols capable of taking a hi-capacity magazine. . .and i believe kerry would sign it. Same goes for concealed carry. I don't think kerry will push to eliminate chl, but if it comes up. . .he will most likely sign a bill to eliminate.

What i say is just my opinion and unprofessional analysis of John Kerry. IMO, the big problem with Kerry and guns is that we are not sure exactly to what extent he will take his anti-gun platform. My belief is that, because he wants to appeal to the gun owning crowd, he will do no more on his own than effect an awb. If he pushes for more regulation, he risks infuriating the gunowners who voted for him in the last election. But kerry is a bit of a loose cannon when it comes to gun control. He has a perfect anti record, but he hasn't made gc a major issue of othe campaign (other than awb, which we WILL see if Kerry gets elected)

In the next year, should things go badly for us, i believe we will see an assault weapons ban of some kind. What it entails will be entirely up to congress. Who knows what will be attached with it. Anything from a ban on hi-capacity magazines, to banning certain weapons by name, to banning all repeating rifles and shotguns, or even a ban on centerfire rifle ammunition. We will see.
 
It will be bad....

On his own Kerry will be able to cripple the gun industry with lawsuits and he may also use the regulatory authority of the ATF to effectively ban or force licensing and registration of selected devices (previously covered by the AW Ban). We depend upon the gun industry and most of us aren't prepared to resist the ATF (even if we do must gun owners are too afraid to do so). Kerry can get away with both measures because the only means of stopping him are the courts and the courts have been in enemy hands for at least the past 30 years.

If Kerry is smart he'll stick to slowly eroding the RKBA and let demographics take their course. If he moves too quickly then he'll have a revolt on his hands. The trick is to hurt only a few gun owners at a time. The rest can be allowed to register their offending guns and have the squeeze put on them later on.

Further Kerry will be able to appoint anti-gun justices to the Supreme Court. Even "moderate" justices will be anti-gun and will rule virtually any gun control measure constitutional either because they see the 2nd Amendment as a collective right or because they believe that the individual right is outmoded and thus quite limited.

The Republicans in Congress will not be willing to obstruct and fillibuster judicial nominees on the basis of the 2nd Amendment. The pro-life issue was as important and more popular than gun rights and they didn't block Clinton's nominees for the sake of what are supposed to be (in their eyes) innoccent babies. If they won't fight for the innoccent why would they risk scathing critcism of the media just to protect our right to own a Bushie? The short answer is: they won't.

Although the Supreme Court has been wrong before (Dredd Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson come to mind) most Americans see it as infalliable. If a clear "collective rights" majority forms to rewrite our Second Amendment the court will unambiguously weigh in against us. We will lose much of our moral authority and the democratic process will no longer be sufficient to protect civil rights. A similar situation was created by Dredd Scott and we all know where that went.

Thus I have established unambiguously that whatever happens with Congress, Kerry's election will be as much or even more of a disaster than Clinton's. If you add in the legislation that Kerry could ram through Congress (especially if the Senate changes hands) then it will be worse than Clinton.
 
Well, let's take a look at Kerry's voting record. Unlike Clinton or Gore, Kerry has never been on the side of the NRA. He voted twice to kill CMP, voted to ban .30-30 and most other centerfire ammo just this year, and voted to ban most semi-autos as well as having 100% rating from the Brady bunch.

So, we have a consistent flip-flopper and an issue he has never flip-flopped on. Probably not a positive sign...

So using Clinton as a template, let's see what Clinton was able to do just using his executive powers:

1) Reclassify some shotguns as "Destructive Devices" by redefining them as not having a sporting purpose (fair game and completely within executive power under the 1934 NFA). Those shotguns are now regulated like machineguns.

2) Expand the 1989 import ban to any semi-auto capable of accepting a military magazine and then expanding it again in 1999 to parts for those weapons.

3) Use HUD funds to support frivolous lawsuits against the gun industry and force a heinous settlement on S&W.

4) Until Congress chopped the funding, use CDC to support pro-gun control researchers of questionable scientific credentials and pursue guns as a "health problem" instead of a "criminal problem".

Those four are pretty bad by themselves, especially considering the Clinton is quite moderate on guns compared to Kerry's record.

Now add in a 2006 UN Treaty on Small Arms... in 2000, this was stopped cold by the Bush administration; but Kerry will undoubtedly be more supportive. Only the Senate ratifies treaties and right now we do not have a pro-gun majority in the Senate - in fact, we have 52 Senators who still think it is OK to ban guns based on silly cosmetic differences as a good "first step".

So we could well have a Senate and a President that would sign whatever the UN sends our way if we aren't careful.
 
What would Kerry do? I'll keep it to 2nd Amendment issues to keep my reply short.

1) Ban via Executive Order importation of surplus rifles considered "not sporting". Bye-bye, C&R hobby.

2) Ban vis Executive Order all parts that originally came from a "non-sporting" rifle. Bye-bye, FAL, AK, and HK/CETME kit building.

3) Order the BATF to crack down on FFL's, including 03's. Hey, you entered the Cryllic serial number from that Mosin Nagant in your bound book, instead of the one assigned by the importer? Go to jail; next please.

4) Pressure Congress to pass a new AW Ban. Frist will deliver it with a side of fries; may even offer to help blow dry Kerry's hair.

5) Push Senate to ratify UN Treaty on Small Arms. Ever see one of those UN sponsored rifle pyres pictured on the Internet? One's coming to your town.

6) Can't shut down the CMP, but he can crush up all their inventory. How many folks go to a CMP shoot and don't want a Garand or Springfield? CMP will run out of money a couple of years.
 
I may have to move to France......

Maybe I can get Alec Baldwins ticket to use?????


Considering what I think of the French in general, this is the biggest statement I can make :)
 
GP,

Kerry has made it clear that he is a "hunter" and "likes guns".
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YEAH, and I'm the tooth fairy, SANTA CLAUS, the Easter Bunny AND 'THE GREAT PUMPKIN."

After Kerry gets elected he will use EO's to ban EVERYTHING he can think of. Like CLINTON did and (don't flame me on this on - go look it up) Bush Sr. did!

So, Kerry will bypass the legislative branch entirely. Then the only resolve left will be to go to the courts. Which is even worse.

WHO EVER gets the presidential nod will PROBABLY get to install three to five JUSTICE on SC bench. THAT my friends will ensure PC for the next forty years. SO, if you like PC NOW, VOTE KERRY. It ensures politcal correctness gone rampant for the next forty years.

OR until the 2nd American Revolution starts. It's not that I'm advocating that to happen. And I'm not sure when, but I think that will depend on gun owners who REFUSE to relinquish their weapons to UN troops. Hey it's the ONLY WAY Kerry could accomplish it. I can hear the NEW head of the UN Bill Clinton telling folks, "Yeah, we need the help of the UN troops to SECURE THE SAFETY OF OUR NATION" while in the background, the news media show CHINESE REGULARS offloading from airplanes in all major cities.

Ain't politics grand!
 
Kerry's/Edwards elected, Hillary appointed... we'll lose a larger portion of the 2nd Amendment. Parts of the 4th will go along also.
Bush/Ashcroft/Ridge goodbye to some of the remaining elements of the 1st,4th, 5th and 6th.
So one, bury them guns...
The other, shut up and don't tell anyone, anything...

Not exactly a wonderful choice between either of them...
 
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