What to remember about West Wing, etc...

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Bogie

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Guys, the thing to remember about shows like The West Wing, the MMM, HCI, VPC, CPHV, etc., is that _MOST_ of the folks involved mean well, but they're essentially clueless. They perceive that a firearm can be involved in a bad situation, and they make the jump from there to it being inherently bad. In case you haven't noticed, people in general are that way. We are all more likely to view things in terms of black/white, good/evil, etc., rather than in shades of gray... We're just wired that way.

The ONLY way to fight this sort of behavior is by education, and it has to be low-key education, because if you call up and start screamin' at the TV station, well...

Invite folks shooting, and not when you're going out for the express purpose of blowing up watermelons... Save that for Trip #2... Limit your arguments, but make 'em powerful. Be moderately indignant, but don't foam at the mouth. And whatever you do, don't launch into your basic conspiracy theory crap. It doesn't matter that history shows genocide as consistently following firearms confiscation - Folks are firmly convinced that it can't happen here, so they slap a crackpot label on you, and tune you out... Don't talk about 2nd Amendment rights, etc., since most of these folks haven't read the pertinant documents, and don't really understand the stuff... Instead, talk about personal freedom - A good thing to bring up is how most modern gun laws originated in the Jim Crow days, as a way to ensure a disarmed minority population - Go from there... One thing that worked on a hippie chick I used to date was "knowledge is power." After a trip to the range, she wanted her own 9mm...

Above all, keep your message simple, and keep welcoming the person. Invite 'em to go shooting. Invite 'em to send their kids over for a "don't touch, call an adult" class, whatever...

But overall, remember that these folks are largely clueless, and they want to HELP people. They're not evil and malevolent. They're just uneducated. And if we don't educate 'em, the unintended consequences of their actions are going to catch up with all of us.
 
Bogie,

Excellent post, but I am indignant about shows like "West Wing" precisely because these shows are deliberately mis-educating the people. I am not even sure of your analysis that the people making "West Wing" mean well. Blind ideology is usually a sure sign of arrogance and a lack of respect for others which a well meaning person would not have (or would control better).

Your recommendations for changing people's minds are right on target, but you're fighting an uphill battle when people spend 4 hours plus each night getting re-programmed by shows like "West Wing" or "Law and Order" or just about most of television these days.
 
I have to disagree, the manipulation of persons through propaganda in that fashion is simply evil. The persons behind the programming of our society are not nice individuals and their sole reason for existance is to increase their power and destroy the minds and lives and freedoms of others. They are truely evil.

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The way I'm going to deal with the West Wing episode is righteous indignation - I feel quite frankly insulted by the show. The show painted firearms as evil malevolent talismans, and by association, I feel like I've been slimed... They didn't say that the skins were bad, only the firearms, and by association, law abiding firearms owners. I _know_ that I've fired over 3,000 rounds this year (slow year, lots of time on the benchrest range), and last I looked, I haven't even come close to shooting anyone...
 
The "West Wing" should really be called the "Left Wing." Martin Sheen is an old Tinsel Town lefty propagandist. There is an assumption in the modern American media that the PC liberal view is the norm and anything departing from it is aberrant reactionary thought unworthy of serious consideration. Facts mean little, spin (perception) means everything. There is an ever widening ideological divide I fear. It will probably not be until some unforseen major event, terrorist act or such, causes political and social upheaval or, perhaps more importantly, economic upheaval that a sea change may take place. In the meantime, complacency and blind acquiescence to ever increasing government control over more and more aspects of American life will most likely continue.
 
Bogie, I assure you the creators, producers, writers, directors and actors, of "WEST WING," especially, Martin Sheen, are all Marxist Socialists. Mega Millionaire Marxist Socialists, to be sure, but still, for lack of a better word, downright communistnazis.

They have one object in mind and that is the eventual destruction of the Constitution and the institution of The Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Police State Utopia. If it takes the extermination of millions of us "vermin", in order to bring about their Great Final Solution, they're all in favor of it.

They are classic examples of "liberals" whom V.I Lenin described as "... my useful idiots."

The only saving grace is that these "useful idiots" will be first in line at the Guillotine, when their usefulness is over.

FWIW. J.B.
 
Guys. You ought to watch a few episodes of what I believe is one of the best written shows on the tube. The politics presented are more along the line of the old conservative Democrat rather than wild-eyed flaming liberal. Guns are mentioned infrequently and that does bring the bile up in my mouth, but the rest of the politics are something I wish we could have in the real world. Don't be like a friend of mine who refuses to watch it simply because "they're g.d. democrats". Even if you hate it after you watch it, at least you will know your enemy better. Besides, I don't think Martin Sheen wants to exterminate Me, You have to know Me for awhile before that thought comes up.
 
Gee, I wonder why the producers chose this moment in time to bring up the Gun violence topic in this show? Could it be that they are hoping to sway the Election next month?

I personally think that the show West(left)Wing is akin to a weekly DNC broadcast without Equal time! They have the Bully Pulpit to preach whichever issues they please without a response from any other point of view. And they label it Entertainment!
 
I do not watch........... Will not watch. Never will. :D
It is just another Socialist piece of crap, like most of the network shows.


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Mickthenailer, if you own a firearm(s), Martin Sheen and the creator, writers of the show, want you exterminated. (And all the rest of us serfs.)

Just as do almost all the communistnazis who populate and control Tinsel Town. J.B.
 
I saw some, not all, of the two hour episode of this show a couple of days ago.

One scene had the evils of oil tankers not being double-hulled.

Another mentioned Emily's list.

Another had Sheen telling some farmer he could go pound sand on his milk prices because....get ready....it was "for the children".

If anyone doubts this puke-fest is not a platform for Hollywood leftists (a redundancy, I realize), they are living in a fog.

Regards

ps Through my entire life, I have never knwingly associated with a single person, either personally or professionally, that shoved their faces into a bowl filled with cocaine. Can Rob Reiner, Martin Sheen, Linda Bloodworth-Thomason or Alex Baldwin say the same thing?
 
I WILL NOT watch that show, not because they're Democrats, but because of what that show is "teaching" the sheeple who are too stupid to think for themselves. As others have said, Sheen and his ilk are a bunch of Communists.

Heck, I don't ever turn on the tube these days, I'd much rather cozy down w/ a good book or tend to projects around the house...

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"The best way to deal with a [criminal] with a gun, is to say, 'I know you're upset.'...Compassion is the answer...Try to be compassionate with them and relate to them." -Jessica Flag, MMM
 
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