What the hell is being said here?

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funinsun

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While purusing Oleg Volk's sight(a co-moderater) I came across the following reasons as to why to have a rifle. What the hell is being said here-when police kick in your door go ahead and do them in with your kevlar defeatable rifle??? What kind of message does this portray?? And then further, it may not be a mistake it may be they are at the right door, which means they obviously have a reason to be there, so go ahead and do them in as well??? AM I missing something here-I totally agree with the bad guy scenario-but whatis being said is wether the LAW is there by mistake or not a rifle would be a good choice for your home because it will go through kevlar. Here is the paragraph posted directly from the sight:

If you just happen to be very unlucky, the intruder may not be alone. He may also have body armor, proof against pistol bullets.

Such a scenario is likely if DEA or local police are there by mistake. They have been known to kick in the wrong doors. Sometimes they kick in the "right doors", it just might happen that the door is yours.
A rifle bullet would go through a Kevlar vest.

Rifles are also more likely to have a larger deteachable magazines than either pistols or shotguns. If you are have the time to reach for more than your sidearm, get a rifle or a shotgun.
 
Yep...your missing something! Al Gore will show you what that is when you and all of the Anti-Gun Cops vote for him in November. Quit whinning-not everyone likes or trusts cops and they certainly do little to earn that trust.
 
You are right, it might be DEA, and they might rush in by "mistake" like a WACO situation. But does that mean they are rushing in with any less of deadly force? Nope. Do they rush the wrong house? All the time. Does that mean "oops, they rushed my house by mistake, they will figure it out.." or does it mean "They are out to kill me, I have to defend myself and my loved ones, and we can settle this in court, but I need to stay alive long enough to go to court" Which scenerio do you like better?

I personally have seen Amish (yes, Amish!!!) people's houses get raided by heavily armed and armoured police. Amish??? They will stop at nothing, Clinton drones will not hesitate to ram down your door, and kill you and your family, and then later on have Janet Reno apologize for the mistake, ask for a full investigation, and then sweep it under the rug.

That's all Oleg is saying...

Albert
 
Legion 3, it is you who is truly missing something. Quite an outlook you have. Whether or not cops in general engender your trust is immaterial. Advocating their murder because of a mistake is a sad illustration of where you are in the gene pool. MOST cops are pro-gun/RKBA, btw.
 
THe wrong house owner is just as dead from a mistake as if they had the right house.

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Bad guys have been known to use body armor too. Home invaders have even been known to shout "Police!" as they enter to put the homeowner off guard. If someone kicks your door down in the middle of the night, are you going to wait and see if they have valid ID?

I'm not sure about case law on this, but I suspect that an innocent, law abiding person who defends himself against a no-knock battering ram entry could make a case in court.
 
Guys, this belongs in General or Legal/Political, and I think what Oleg is generally referring to is two things: either a EOTWAWKI / SHTF scenario, where a tyrannical gestapo state has taken over (foreign or domestic - i.e. the gov't orders collection of firearms), OR where he/we truly think we are being attacked by thugs, and in that case it's not murder if in your mind its purely self-defense (if you don't know they're legit LEOs). I don't think Oleg's advocating murder, short of what I just described, or perhaps a seccession/revolution scenario. In these cases, penetrating body armor is desrirable. We like LEOs here, because most are pro-RKBA and good people. I don't think funinsun can be fairly described as anti-gun, either. He's just not as deeply aware of gestapo-ish possibilities happening here, perhaps.

Also, "it" is not being said "here". It's being said at Oleg's site.

[This message has been edited by Futo Inu (edited June 15, 2000).]
 
Consider this:

AP National
FBI Agent Ruled Immune in Idaho

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The FBI agent who killed the wife of white separatist Randy Weaver during the Ruby Ridge standoff is immune from state prosecution in Idaho, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.
Sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi shot Vicki Weaver in 1992 while she held her baby. At the time, federal agents had converged on the family's cabin to arrest Randy Weaver on a weapons trafficking charge. Horiuchi said he did not see Vicki Weaver when he fired at an armed associate of Randy Weaver.
Idaho prosecutors pursued a manslaughter charge against Horiuchi, but the charge was dismissed by a federal judge.
A three-member panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal, ruling that Horiuchi was acting in his official duty as a federal law enforcement officer.

I know I will be absoluteky safe if SA Horiuch and some of his friends are at my door with official FBI shoot to kill orders.
 
I've said it before, if anyone breaks down my door and enters without my permission I will immediately assume that the life of my family and myself are in immediate danger and respond accordingly.

You see, since I know nobody in my house is a crminal, any forced entry would have to be either tyrranical or a "mistake".

I will not risk the life of my family or myself for either case. It will be condition red in about 700 milliseconds...

CMOS

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funinsun - You know this doesn't belong in the handgun forum, so why put it here? Moving to Legal and Political...
 
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