What the H-LL is going on with this election guys? Help me to survive this mess.

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45automan

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Well you all see whats happening here guys. Now I think that the Dems will never stop running their mouths. If this "recount" doesn't go their way,and if gods listening it won't. They will request another "Recount" till the desired results are achieved. Am I off here guys. This election has taken 10 years off my life :(
Anyway tell me what you think of all this crap,45automan
 
It's a calculated strategy by the Traitorcrats. They'd rather run the Republic into the ground than admit defeat. I posted this elsewhere but it got little traffic.

Gore's Litigation Strategy

This morning it appears that what many experts viewed as an extremely remote possibility -- that one presidential candidate might win the popular vote while losing in the Electoral College -- appears well on the way to becoming a reality. In recent days, the scenario has been something of a pundits' parlor game, a topic that made for amusing talk around the anchor desk but did not pose the threat of a serious political crisis. In part that was because most members of the commentariat believed that such a situation, if it did emerge, would involve vice president Al Gore winning the electoral vote and thus the White House. No problem!

But now, as the nation awaits a recount of the Florida vote, it appears the opposite might be true. Gore seems headed to a victory in the popular vote, while Bush seems likely to win Florida's 25 electoral votes and thus prevail in the Electoral College. As difficult as that would be for Gore to accept, the constitution is clear: the candidate who receives 270 or more electoral votes will be the next president.

But not so fast. Even before the final results are known, the outlines of a Democratic plan to undermine a possible Republican victory have already begun to emerge. After 4:00 a.m. on Wednesday, amid general confusion about the state of the election, Newsweek reporter and Gore partisan Jonathan Alter appeared on NBC to sketch the details of what the vice president's supporters might do in the event a recount showed Bush to be the winner in Florida, and thus in the Electoral College. Judging from Alter's analysis, some of those supporters appear willing to spark a full-scale political crisis rather than accept the constitutionally-mandated results of the election.

The plan is based on the popular vote. If Gore does indeed win a greater number of votes nationwide than Bush, Alter suggested, then the vice president would challenge the Florida recount in court -- over and over again, if necessary. The Democrats' intent would be to tie the Florida results up in endless litigation, and in the process try to convince the public that no recount can be completely accurate, and that the final Florida result, should it declare Bush the winner, cannot be trusted.

At the same time they make that case, Gore's partisans will point to the popular vote and make the argument that, given the allegedly murky nature of the Florida results, the election should go to the winner of the popular vote. After all, they will argue, he is the choice of a majority of Americans. That would be the beginning of an intense effort -- aided, no doubt, by the White House public relations machine -- to create public pressure on Bush to concede victory to Gore.

Of course, it's all grossly unconstitutional. This election, as all others, is governed by the constitutional provisions governing the Electoral College. The College has certainly been controversial in past elections, but it remains the instrument by which presidents are elected. If at some point the American people want to change it -- or do away with it altogether -- they are free to support a constitutional amendment that would take effect with the next presidential election.

But there remains the issue of what to do now. Would Gore really fight to the death -- and poison the process as a result? According to a variety of news reports, in the call retracting his original concession, Gore told Bush that he would concede again if the results of the Florida recount confirmed Bush's victory. Now, with his popular vote lead stretching beyond 200,000 votes, look for Gore's supporters to attempt to de-legitimize the Electoral College results and come up with their own creative solution for picking the next president.

Byron York is The American Spectator's senior writer. (Posted 11/8/00)




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“You have the right to free speech. Provided you’re not dumb enough to actually try it.” The Clash
 
I agree that the dems are acting like a bunch of spoiled kids who are not getting their way. The bottom line is that the race in Florida was simply too close to call and a recount was mandated by state law. I do believe that the sending of Jesse Jackson to stir things up is a real shi*y call on whom ever is pulling the strings.

I believe that George W. will be the winner when everything is said and done. If the regular ballots in FL decied that the two candidates are tied, the FL officials will go to the absentee ballots. The election people have already said that these are vastly republican. If this turns into a tie..again, the election is sent to the House of Representatives no later than 12/8. The Republicans hold a majority and that will be a done deal.

My only hope is that AL Gore behaves like a man and a statesman and accepts defeat with honor. If not, he will whine and petition the federal courts under the claim of voter fraud and inconsistencies. IF he does, what ever future political aspirations he may have are shot. Maybe someone close to Gore that really cares about him, will tell him to back off, accept the loss and wait for the next the time. The country will need someone with a spark of honor to go against Hillary in the democratic primary for president in two years.

For now, let's all hope and pray that sanity will prevail and let GW take office.

just my two cents worth.



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You can find the price of freedom, buried in the ground.
 
http://www.nypostonline.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/15364.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>NO - LET THE PEOPLE RULE
Thursday,November 9,2000

I AM not a liberal or a conservative, a Democrat or a
Republican. But I am a democrat. I believe deeply and
abidingly in the absolute right of people to choose their
leaders. This fundamental principle may be at stake if the
final recounts put Vice President Al Gore ahead of George
W. Bush in the popular vote but leave him still lagging in the
electoral college. If Gore gets more votes than Bush, he
ought to be the president. Period.

The Electoral College is a pleasant anachronism which has
survived by virtue of its habitual reflection, and frequent
amplification, of the popular vote. When the college serves
to mask, rather than elaborate, the will of the people, we
must look to the popular vote to choose our president.

Some will argue that rules are rules, and both candidates
accepted them when they ran in the first place. While our
Constitution does prescribe that the electors choose a
president, the Declaration of Independence speaks of the
sovereignty of the rule of the majority.

It is not as if we confer upon the electors any authority or
discretion. We don't even know their names. They don't
even appear on our ballot. We elect them to reflect our
will, not as New Yorkers, Californians or Floridians, but as
Americans.

While the constitution assures the Electoral College of
control over the process of choosing a president, there is
also no provision restricting the electors to the choice of the
voters of the state that sent them. Indeed, racist southern
Democrats repeatedly have refused to back the candidate
of the national party and used their discretion to vote for
third candidates.

When we used to choose as vice president the runner up
for the top job, it was expected that one of the winning
party's electors would "throw away" their vote for another
candidate so that the party's nominee for president could
win in the Electoral College.

I believe that it is the Electoral College's clear duty to enact
the will of the people. I believe that George Bush has an
obligation to democracy and to the heritage of popular will
to ask the electors to do so.

Predictably, Democrats will be outraged by a Bush
Electoral College win and Republicans will hail it as the
accepted system. But I speak not from party but from the
basic idea that we are a democracy and that the people's
view must be adopted.

The era in which we regarded ourselves as residents of our
state rather than as citizens of our nation should have ended
with the Civil War. How can a candidate for president
seriously place his hand on the Bible and swear to uphold
the laws of the United States when, in taking office, he
betrays the most basic of its principles?

Change the system, but honor it for this election? That's a
cop out. The system we have is called democracy. We
don't need to change it, just follow it.

Should we be subject to the national nightmare of thwarted
popular will, we can only hope that our leaders see beyond
their ambition and legal entitlements and bow to the
sovereignty of the will of the people of the United States of
America. [/quote]


Ya'll recall who Dick Morris is doncha'?

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
The two candidates ran their campaigns based on the electoral college. They would have spent time and money in different places if it had been by popular vote.

Morris can't even lie in a convincing way. He says the electors don't appear on the ballot. Well, they did on mine. Maybe that's just Oklahoma, but he should check before pontificating about it.
 
"Change the system, but honor it for this election? That's a cop out. The system we have is called democracy. We don't need to change it, just follow it. "

Argh! We aren't a democracy! We're a Republic. I hate this Pravda crap! These people are driving this nation into a major internal conflict.

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