What should the anti's give up?

K

Keiller TN

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Since the anti 2nd amendment people are so dead set to chip away at our right to keep and bear arms, which of their rights should we ask for. Let's see now? Hmmmmmm ...... how about their 1st amendment right to speak out against the 2nd? Yes that would be a good one. We need to have a little quid pro quo here. We gun owners had better go on the offensive with this battle.

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"The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion." (Prov. 28:1)

[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited May 15, 2000).]
 
If it is indeed true that the MMM broke the law (tax exempt) then they should not have the right to the first amendment.
Of course the people who spoke have the cash to get the big lawyers.



[This message has been edited by jeffer (edited May 15, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>What should the anti's give up?[/quote]

OXYGEN
 
here is what they can give up

State gunlaws

I will take a gun licence if i can carry anywhere and buy across state lines.
I prefer the idea of a certified to carry checkbox on my drivers licence.

dZ
 
Compromise, by defintion, means two sides meet together and each agrees to "give up something."

The Marxist Socialists come to us and say, "You must give up your unalienable Rights."

We say, "No!"

They say, "You cretins, you filthy, dirty vermin, you are selfish, inconsiderate, and noncompassionate. You must compromise. You must give up X, Y, and Z portions of your Rights!"

We says, "Uh, okay, so what are you Marxist Socialists going to give up??"

They say, with indignation, "Give up? We're not going to give up ANYTHING! We're compromising by allowing you, FOR THE MOMENT, to keep SOME of your unalienable Rights."

We say, "Uh, okay, we don't want to be selfish and inconsiderate. We agree to give up X, Y, and Z."

They say, "Good. We'll be back."

The Great Final Solution as intended by the Marxist Socialist, is to exterminate the filthy vermin who own guns. Compromise, compromise, compromise, until we are exterminated.

J.B.
 
DZ has the right answer. I will accept a firearms license if it is JUST like a drivers license, and give me the right to lawfully possess and use firearms anywhere in public. Of course just as with cars, I retain the right to own and use as many as I want on my own property without any type of license.

I think we should remind them of what a drivers license is anytime we hear the BS about licensing gun owners the way we license drivers. Tried to get on KMOX radio in St Louis last Thursday afternoon to make just this point when the MMM representative brought it up, but they ran out of time before I got on. We really need to get the true meaning of a license out to the public.

Jeff
 
I fought against my better judgement and submitted to my State's requirements to obtain a "Permit to Carry a Concealed Handgun", although it was not within the legitimate authority of my State to preclude my carry without their permission. I did it because I was afraid not to; a concession I frequently regret. I apologize for preaching, but the Constitution did not give the law abiding citizen any rights. The Declaration of Independence acknowledges that our rights are given by God. The Constitution explicitly limits the powers that the Federal government is afforded by agreement of the citizens. Many argued that the Bill of Rights was not necessary because it was common knowledge, at the time, that the rights it articulated were always to be the possession of the citizen. When I got my Driver's License, they hammered into me that the driving was a privilege, not a right. This is part of my irritation when the Million Morons and their kind talk about cars and guns. I have a right to defend my life and my freedom with arms; I do not have a right to drive a car. I think it is ironic that cars kill more Americans each year than guns.
 
I disagree very strongly with accepting a "license," to own a gun!! That means you accept the Marxist Socialist dictum that your life and body belong to the State, and you must get a licence from the State, in order to protect your(their) life and body, if attacked by vicious criminals.

The instant you "license" an unalieanble Right, that Right then disappears and is nothing more than a government granted privilege, revokable at any time by Big Brother and Big Nanny. (And do you pro-license people really believe that as soon as they do their "licensing of all gun owners" they won't turn around and then revoke those licenses?!)

Read my above post about "compromise." Licenses, permits, fees to possess, buy, own, sell, carry, transfer, etc., are nothing more than privileges. We have over 22,000 "compromises" on the books now, and the communistnazis demand MORE LAWS, MORE LAWS, MORE LAWS.

No, I won't register and I won't go for a license. My life belongs to me, not Big Brother and Big Nanny! J.B.
 
Jay, you are correct, of course, but I have simply chosen not to go to jail if caught exercising my right to carry a handgun. The way things are going, the leftists will take away all 2nd amendment rights eventually. As long as people keep voting for people like Clinton because they are charming or they promise more entitlements, we will keep getting a bigger government. These leftists make big promises if we give them enough money and rights. I'm looking for a better country {"a heavenly country" (Hebrews 11:16)}

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"The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion." (Prov. 28:1)

[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited May 15, 2000).]
 
I have had it up to here with us being the rational party in this debate while our foes seem willing to use any strategem to relieve themselves of their fears.

Screw 'em. I've had it with being polite. These people (most of the post WWII generations: Baby Boomers, 'my' Generation: X, and whatever name Madison Avenue has coined for those after me.) are such cowards anyway, and do you know what they're afraid of? Death. The big boogeyman. Get rid of the cigarettes! Not because of the secondhand smoke, but because they cannot grasp the fact that someone might willingly do something that will, in the long run, kill them. Don't eat fatty foods! 55 saves lives! Guns are dangerous! Power lines, lead in paint, etc. ad nauseum.

These pathetic individuals cannot stand to see someone professing to enjoy the object of their irrational, morbid fears: the Gun. You must be crazy or a potential murderer, or maybe just a simple hick too dumb to understand reality if you own one of those things. What these miserable rabbit people seem to forget is this: You have to die of something. If you spend all your time in life running scared from death and avoiding anything dangerous at every turn, you will find out at the end of a long (but dull) existance that you managed to avoid a lot of Life in the process.

Call 'em what they are. Cowards. The next time you overhear someone discussing their idea of a safe & happy gun free state, let them know that you'd appreciate them not planning theft of your property in front of you... You might get mad.

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
I think some of you misinterpret my post. I would accept a National License to carry firearms. (I agree that no license should be necessary, but there are certain realities and as much as we want to rant about it, nothing short of several generations of reeducation of the public will turn the clock back) I will not accept a license to own firearms or use them on my own property.

My point was that everytime I hear that "we license drivers, why not gunowners" I want to scream that the license you give a driver permits him/her to drive on the public roads, no more. You don't have to be a certain age or pass any kind of test to own an automobile and operate it on private property.

I think if we hit the antis up with this everytime they bring up licenses, they will drop it and move on. They surely don't want you to have a license to carry. I think this will be a way to counter their arguement. They won't go away, but it will be hard for them to make this sound "reasonable" once the public is reminded that when it comes to automobiles, you only need permission to use them in public.

For example, right now, there is a 1986 Camaro in my garage. It belongs to my son who is in Marine boot camp. He does not have a drivers license and there is not current registration on the car. We have broken no laws by doing this, he did not have to take a test to buy it and if he were to drive it on my property, no drivers license would be required. So their arguement is bogus. In my garage there is an unlicensed, unregisitered "evil assault (to those who would have us all driving Yugos) automobile" and it's all legal. I don't worry about the JBTs kicking my garage door in and seizing it. I would love the chance to point this out to the next person who makes the "automobile/gunowner comparison" and see what their reaction is.

Jeff
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> What should the anti's give up? [/quote]

um...their brains?

Oh, wait, they already did that by letting the govt/media make their decisions for them. (probably shouldn't be a slash separating the two anymore...govt.=media?)
 
Tamara,

"Don't eat fatty foods! 55 saves lives! Guns are dangerous! Power lines, lead in paint, etc. ad nauseum."

No BS, on the radio this moring I actually heard there was a "study" (read:wasted tax dollars) that determined lead in paints caused irratic criminal behavior. It stated that, "it is believed that the removal of lead based paints will significantly reduce criminal beahvior".

I'm not joking. I guess that's for the children too...

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
CMOS:

See, that would explain why back when all paint had lead in it and drinking water flowed through lead pipes, there were so many criminals...

Yeah, the stuff is poisonous. They frequently draft bills to ban lead miniatures (toy soldiers & whatnot). Here's a novel idea: If the child is too young to understand that it's dangerous to put 'em in his mouth, don't buy him any!

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
I'll give up guns for one generation if they give up sex for one generation! (D

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Find out just what the people will submit to and you've found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows or with both.
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Frederick Douglass, Aug 4 1857
 
What should the anti's give up?

They should give up trying to take away our rights. We aren't going to just "let" them, and we (unlike them) have guns.
 
How about everything?

Machine gun ban/licensing - axe it. Go back to pre-'34 laws
Import bans - gone
"high-cap." mag. ban - get rid of it
Laws governing interstate sales - gone
NICS - axed
Carry permit - We get to carry what we want, where we want, how we want; get rid of this open vs. concealed carry, it's our choice
Only revocable for violent felonies
Garaunteed renewals
Rifles, etc. available mail-order
etc., etc.

Let them justify why they need to register every gun owner and every gun. Why have any restrictions on what I can own, if you're going to register me like some sort of sex offender?
 
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