What Revolver is this?

Mosin-Marauder

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Hello, all. I was looking through my Papaw's gun collection and found this neat recolver. It's obviously a Smith and Wesson. It's chambered in .41 Remington Magnum (?) It looks really nice, and is in great shape and I was just curious as to what model it was and how much it may be worth. Thanks!







 
That would be a Model 58. Should have that stamped on frame under cylinder crane. Must be from before 1968 as it has the "diamond stocks" used on these from 1964-1968. It has the correct stocks (slightly rounded at the bottom) and they are different from other N frame stocks of the time. Don't lose or swap them.

Well used, a cool gun that doesn't have much useful purpose. They bring quite a bit of money as not many were made and a lot of guys want one.
 
Here's mine I bought around 1988 for $189. Should have bought 10 (retired cop guns, dealer had a bunch of them) because I could get about $700 for them now.


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As has been said, your pawpaw's gun is a Model 58 which is an uncommon and somewhat desirable gun. A bit of history on the M58 if you're interested:

The .41 Magnum was conceived by several individuals who felt that, at the time, the factory loadings of then-available revolver cartridges were less than ideal for police use (revolvers were, at the time, the nearly universal choice of U.S. LE agencies). Notable among these individuals were gun writers Bill Jordan, Elmer Kieth, and Skeeter Skelton. As originally envisioned, the .41 Magnum was to be a dual-purpose police and hunting cartridge with different guns and ammunition tailored to those specific purposes.

On the hunting side of the equation was the S&W Model 57 which was available with barrel lengths of 4, 6 1/2, and 8 3/8" with fully adjustable target sights large target stocks as standard. As far as hunting ammo, Remington offered a 210 gr JSP at 1300+ fps.

Conversely, the defensive gun was the S&W Model 58 which was offered with a 4" barrel only, fixed sights, and smaller "Magna" stocks. The "police" loading intended for this revolver consisted of a 210 gr LSWC (this was before the popularity of JHP bullets) at a bit over 900 fps.

Unfortunately, the .41 Magnum never really caught on as a police cartridge and both the "police" ammunition and the M58 were eventually discontinued. There are several theories as to why the .41 never achieved popularity in the police market and all of them probably have a bit to do with it. For one thing, the Model 58 is a fairly large and heavy gun and, as such, many cops didn't want to give up their lighter, easier packing .38's and .357 Magnums. Similarly, some people inevitably wound up with the "hunting" ammo in the "police" gun and most found the recoil too severe for defensive use. Finally, both the "hunting" and "police" guns and ammo were marked with the word "Magnum" which, at the time, was not politically correct for a cop's gun. Perhaps if the "police" ammunition had been loaded in shorter cases and marked ".41 Special" more departments would have considered it.

Personally, I've always found the Model 58 to be a fascinating gun and have pined after one for years. Much like the Model 13 .357 Magnum, there is something inherently interesting to me about a revolver which looks like a run-of-the-mill .38 Special but delivers magnum power, sort of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" persona if you will. I also think that with a moderate loading like Winchester's 175 gr Silvertip that it would make a superb defensive gun for those who don't mind the size and weight. Finally, the older I get, the more and more the ruggedness and "all business" look of a fixed-sighted revolver appeals to me.

My "happy tax return" gift to myself this year was the "sporting" counterpart to your pawpaw's gun in the form of a Model 57 with an 8 3/8" barrel. While I've not shot it as much as I would have liked (my regular range just reopened today having been closed since early January :mad:), I am quickly forming the opinion that both the gun and cartridge are vastly under-appreciated.
 
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Webleymkv-thanks for the background infor. Kind of sounds like the 57/58 model numbers were to the .41 magnum what the 27/28 model numbers were to the .357 magnum.

Saxon-great photo...there's a discussion in the general forum 'the camera' about someone wanting info about taking pictures of guns...you could chime in there with what you use...I'd be interested.
 
a cool gun that doesn't have much useful purpose
"Nay!" says I...

I have found a load with 210gr cast bullets over IMR Trail Boss powder to be a magnificent reduced load that is still quite accurate and does not beat the snot out of my hand. To me, it feels like a .44SPL or a non-cowboy .45 Long Colt load. My Ruger doesn't think much of my Trail boss loads so far- but my S&W M58 seems to like them pretty well.

The joys of reloading...
 
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Nice revolver, but a bit rough by most standards. Paw-Paw needs to give that one more TLC.

Mosin, if you will open the cylinder (which you should have done as soon as picking the revolver up!) and inspect the flat of the frame below the barrel, you will find a stamping that will read Mod 58 or 58-1 or something similar. That is your model number and most all Smiths are so marked (66-2, 29-3, etc)

The "-3" , or "-1" are usually stated as "dash three" or "dash one", or in the case of just Mod 58....."no dash". This refers to the production history so to speak. No dash models are earlier in the production history than later -1's, -2's, etc. I may be a bit off in my explanation, but the "dash" numbers denote certain subtle changes in the design and production process.
 
I often get arguments when I say it but to me the 58 doesn't serve any real purpose other than collecting pristine examples and fun shooting the rougher ones. I know that's usually enough, but most guns have some specific purpose they do well, or were at least intended to do. I don't see this with the 58.

It was an abysmal failure as a police gun. Rather big and heavy for concealed carry. Recoil is too much for most shooters. More power than necessary for most uses. The fixed sights make the 57 a much better choice for sport shooting. There's nothing wrong with the 41 Magnum cartridge except the 44 will do everything about 15% better with a greater selection of bullets available.

When I saw the ad for the police trade in 58s I bought one as a lark. To me the gun is a curiosity. I coined the term "Model 10 on steroids" to describe the appearance of the N frame service revolver.

I think the 58 was dropped in 1978 so mine shipped in 1977 was near the end of the run. Indeed, the serial suggest a 1974 date of manufacture so it likely set in inventory for three years before being sold. Slow movers. Not a successful model by any definition.

Oh, a few years ago I went in search of a 4" M29 in nickel and wound up with this 57 instead. Forgive the artsy photo.


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It's on my list

The N- frame is just too big/heavy for duty carry. They are fine revolvers and quite collectible. The police load was actually perfect. If they could have managed it on a k-frame I bet it would have been a game changer.

To this day the .41 Special is a popular wildcat that operates in the same range as the original police loads.
 
The little brown specs you see are actually lint from the pistol bag it is stored in, I plan on taking my cleaning kit sometime and giving it a good once over. There is a bit if rust, so if I get it in the future I might have it reblued. Thanks again.
 
Originally posted by DaleA
Kind of sounds like the 57/58 model numbers were to the .41 magnum what the 27/28 model numbers were to the .357 magnum.

I guess you could say that the basic concept was the same, but the actual execution was pretty different. The Model 28 retained a lot more of the features of the M27 than the M58 did compared to the M57. Really, the only real differences between the M27 and M27 were the M28's duller finish, lack of topstrap checkering (a feature unique to the M27), and a more limited availability of barrel lengths (the M28 came in only 4" and 6" barrels). The M28 retained, however, the fully adjustable target sights and the tapered half-lug barrel profile.

The M58, on the other hand, not only lacked the highly polished blue of the M57 and the availability of different barrel lengths, but also the adjustable sights and half-lug barrel. While the M28 was created to be a "no-frills" gun, the M58 actually had even fewer frills.
 
And the real sleeper between the M27 and the M28 was the M520- high polish blue with no adjustable sights. And I wish like the dickens they had made a full regular production run of the M544.
 
Any place, any where, just NOT in a bag, as mentioned.

Safe.
Shelf.
Closet.
Drawer.
Box.

Just not wrapped in a moisture-retaining close-fitting container.
Denis
 
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