What replaced the P7M8 carry?

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Clarence8

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Hey guys, recently bought a P7M8 refurb and it's my new favorite gun

I know it's a trade-in from Germany and have also heard that there are some New Jersey LE trade-ins as well floating around. My question is... Does anyone know what these European's and New Jersey LE are carrying now that they gave these P7's up? And why was the change?
 
The NJSP are still using P7M8's. They are buying new ones to replace all of the used ones now on the market. In fact, this is one of the reasons it is darn near impossible to get a NIB P7 here in SE PA. NJSP has got all of HK's production until late summer.

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Keystone,

>>NJSP has got all of HK's production until late summer.<<

HK has failed to keep up their end of the deal. They told NJSP that they could not and would not complete the 3,000 gun deal/contract so it's back to square one for NJSP and testing new guns.

The specs that they wrote for the new gun drastically favor, you guessed it, the Glock pistol which a portion of NJSP wanted from the start.

Also, a recent statement from NJSP is that NO P7M8's will be released or traded in. This is so they do not eventually end up in civilian hands.

None of the refurbished P7M8's ever came from the NJSP. They were all East German trades.

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Jim - NRA Life Member

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Nothing against the Glock, but why would you take a Glock (or worse yet a USP) over a p7? Can anyone explain that to me?
 
Better yet. If the New Jersey state police are not going to trade them in, then I guess the people in New Jersey are going to have a higher tax bill. Sling Shot
 
Cypselus:

As someone who almost daily straps on a Glock and leaves the P7M8 in the safe, I can give you my reasons.

1) Weight. Although slimmer, the P7 is heavier.

2) Durability. Georgia winters are rainy, Georgia summers are humid. P7's rust easily and mine needs to be unholstered and wiped down after a long days work to avoid rusty fingerprints, Glocks are as close to zero-maintenance as they get.

3) Among CCW pistols, I have the following choices: 8+1 rounds of 9mm, 9+1 of .357SIG, 10+1 of 10mm auto or .45ACP, or 13+1 of .40 cal. No matter how you slice it, the squeeze-cocker comes out with the short end of the stick in that equation. Especially when you figure the higher capacity guns are not only more powerful, but also lighter and, in the case of the G33, smaller as well.

Don't get me wrong; the P7 is my favorite pistol and gets carried every now and again for sentimental reasons (I've wanted one for around 15 years before finally getting mine). It's just not as pragmatic an everyday self defense tool as any of my 4 Glocks...

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[This message has been edited by Tamara (edited June 27, 2000).]
 
Tamara, I trust that you are feeling somewhat better. I agree with you about the finish on the two guns. I'm almost certainly going to get my P7 hard-chromed. Bluing is lousy, while Tenifer is the most rust-resistant stuff I've ever seen. Virginia is fairly humid too, and it takes regular treatments with Militec and a silicone cloth to keep rust at bay.

On the issue of weight, I find that even carrying with a belly band or cord "holster" that the heavier P7 doesn't bother me. In fact it is much more comfortable for me, particularly when sitting down, and the corner of the slide doesn't print through my shirt the way that my G19 does.

The chief issues to me are reliability, where in my admittedly limited experience the P7 beats the Glock, and ease of shooting accurately, where again the P7 beats the Glock, and just about everything else too. If I had to go to the jungles of Brazil, obviously I'd grab my Glock, but for use in civilized areas, (NJ qualifies) I just think that the greater practical and intrinsic accuracy, and the superior feed reliability and idiot-proofing of the P7 make it a superior choice. (I will now be excommunicated from the Church of Glock, and my IP banned from Glocktalk)

9mm ain't that great, but neither is .45. If I'm looking for trouble, I'll bring a rifle, or better yet, run away, then call the constabulary and let them deal with it.
We've all heard the horror stories, but there are failure to stop horror stories with anything short of tactical nukes (now someone is going to relate how he blasted a squirrel with a Pershing II only to have it run into the woods). There just isn't enough difference between auto-pistol cartridges in the 400 ft-lb range to justify, to me, choosing the Glock in a larger caliber. Comparing 9mms, it's even less compelling.
 
Ditto on the refinishing, Cypselus. I called Metaloy today for my PSP.

Otherwise the P7 just beats the Glock on what I would call operations. Nothing quicker than a P7 reload from slide lock.
 
Hi Everyone-

If you've got LOTS of patience, ROBAR does a dandy refinishing job on a HKP7M10. The stock finish is horrible, and even though it will void the warranty, I suggest going for the upgrade.

If the sidearm ever fails and HK says they won't honor the warranty, just threaten them with small claims court, they won't want to deal with the hassle and they'll complete repairs as they should.

My P7M10 is Roguard on the exterior with NP3 internals. Good luck...

~ Blue Jays ~
 
PVerdieck: You called Metaloy about refinishing your P7. If you do not mind me asking, how much did they quote you? Do they just refinish the slide or complete gun? Sling Shot
 
Forgot to mention: Anybody tried the metacol 3 by Arizona Response systems? They are a factory authorized refinisher for HK. I am just wondering if the metacol 3
would be better than the hard chrome.
Sling Shot
 
Tamara is right. The P7 is a great gun but when daily easy CCW is concerned, the lighter the better. So the G26 and KT P-32 get most of my protection time.

For detailed P7 information, goto Park Cities Tactical and you will discover that the only finish that can last 15-20 years on a P7 is hard chroming.

Metaloy (Ala) and Metalife (PA) are the P7 hard chroming experts. My 1984 PSP looks brand new to this day after a MetaLife hard chrome job done 16 years ago.

Forget the rest of the finishes!

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Most of the NJSP carry P7M13.Those with the P7M8 carry more mags.I must admit the Glock does fair better in bad weather.I use TUFF CLOTH on the P7 and have had no problems with rust etc.I mostly use an IWB holster, and it does get wet in warm weather.As a shooter the HK is much more accurate as well as being faster to reload and fire.I do enjoy being able to take the Glock apart and cleaning it.To each his own.
 
The reason I was told that NJSP was dropping the P7 was cost. The P7M8 retails for close to $1,300. You can easily find a Glock for half of that cost.

Personally, I'd love a P7M8, although I'd send it out for a nickel finish to Robar. Now if I could only find one reasonably priced.
 
Wishbone, if you're brave and have an evening to kill, you can detail strip the P7. If my experience is any guide, you'll get the bits and pieces back together correctly on the third or fourth try. What a nightmare. This is the gun the designed ultrasonic cleaners for.
 
>>Most of the NJSP carry P7M13<<

Wishbone,

None of the NJSP now or ever carried the P7M13. It was a thought at one time when the M13 came out but cost was a factor.

When NJSP decided that they wanted to go to a .40 cal. weapon, HK offered to make them a hybrid gun. A P7M13 frame with a .40 cal. upper. I believe the mag capacity was to be 10 rds. It never came about.

They just received 450 new P7M8's but as I said earlier, the remainder of the order will not be delivered. HK dropped the ball on this one. Glock will be happy to pick it up however!

The majority of the NJSP P7's are 15+ years old and they need a lot of work. HK gave them a quote to completely rebuild their guns. Didn't happen.

They are also having problems with the new 450 units that they received. Some of the mags will not drop free and they are having sight problems.

They replaced many of the older guns with the new ones.

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