What party is strongest gun rights advocate?

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brett30030

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In my opinion the only party that is going to protect your gun rights are the libertarians. This link is to the libertarian party website and concerns gun rights. Show me something similar on the national democrat or republican websites that is so plain and simple regarding the right to keep and bear.

http://www.lp.org/issues/gun-rights.shtml

Scoff at them if you want, but unless people start to vote libertarian, the future of this country is going to continue to go down the drain, republicans and democrats just disagree on how fast they should lead it there.

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I won't vote libeertarian because I don't want to throw my vote away but I agree with your point.

If I voted solely on gun policies i would vot for them but I do not.
 
The strongest (and actually viable) gun rights party are the Libertarians. Hands down.

Is a three-party system viable in this country? In my opinion, yes. Voting for a third party will tell those in the remaining two that they have that much of a potential vote should they relax or increase their agenda accordingly. I would rather vote third party (if I agreed with them) than not vote at all. At least I'm sending some kind of message.

Of course, the Libertarian party you see today will work hard to protect your gun rights if they are elected... but if you ever do see a real Libertarian canidate elected they will likely not be entirely true to the platform. To get elected at all they'll probably concede to at least a few lobbying groups.

Libertarians are a good choice, IMO. The real hang-up with them, as far as I see is the immigration issue. It's not as if they condone open and porous borders (like we have now)... they want rules, regulations on who can get in... acknowledging that we need that cheap labor but we don't need their criminals either. Some people want total closing of the borders and LP/OP's on the border by the NG, shooting all those in sight...won't happen in 08. Both parties will run their best bets.. you won't see a Reagan coming out from nowhere.

Oh well. But yes, Libertarians are your best bet if you're a single issue voter... unless you get a pro-gunner running for pres.. which won't happen.
 
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Constitution Party! Here.

This from the national platform...

Gun Control

The right to bear arms is inherent in the right of self defense, defense of the family, and defense against tyranny, conferred on the individual and the community by our Creator to safeguard life, liberty, and property, as well as to help preserve the independence of the nation.

The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution; it may not properly be infringed upon or denied.

The Constitution Party upholds the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. We oppose attempts to prohibit ownership of guns by law-abiding citizens, and stand against all laws which would require the registration of guns or ammunition.

We emphasize that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. In such circumstances, the peaceful citizen's protection against the criminal would be seriously jeopardized.

We call for the repeal of all federal firearms legislation, beginning with Federal Firearms Act of 1968.

We call for the rescinding of all executive orders, the prohibition of any future executive orders, and the prohibition of treaty ratification which would in any way limit the right to keep and bear arms.
 
It all sounds good, but this Country is just basically a 2 party system. It will take a lot of effort for any other party to ever win anything that amounts to much. It just ain't in the cards or the voters. Maybe they should just change their names to the American party, it sounds less threatning.
 
I'm sorry, but the only truly wasted vote is the one cast for a candidate or party that you know will not support your rights. Democrats and Republicans are so similar these days the really need the "R" or "D" after their names so you can tell them apart. I don't believe I can - in good conscience - vote for either a Republicrat or Democan in the future.
If a Libertarian administration were to ever take power (not likely,) open borders wouldn't be as much of a problem as we think. After all, all those 'entitlement' programs would be gone and there'd be no reason for illegal immigration except to find work, thus eliminating or seriously reducing the numbers of people who come here for free handouts.
 
I won't vote libertarian because I don't want to throw my vote away but I agree with your point.
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Have you ever voted in a state or federal election that was won by one or two votes? No? Then you really have been throwing away your vote if you've been voting for your second- or third-choice candidate.
 
Libertarian Party, imho. The Constitution Party also has quality ideas on gun control but I could never vote for them.
 
There is no such thing as "throwing your vote away" unless you don't vote. It's a lie propagated by supporters of either republicans or democrats to make people feel that it's useless to vote for anyone else. Infuriating logic.

I wouldn't vote for the Constitution Party because of the misnomer in their name. They claim to support to CotUS, but their platform certainly shows otherwise. If elected, this party would most likely ruin the first ammendment by destroying the already weakened Separation of Church and State - something that has helped religious belief to flourish contrary to what the fundamentalists say (look at the church support from the state in various countries such as England, Germany, Rome, and look at consistent drop in attendance over there).
 
I suppose we define "viable" differently.

Do either the Libertarian or Constitutional party control a majority in any state or local legislative body anywhere in the country?

I'd even settle for control of a local school board ...
 
Are you a member of the Don Quixote (er, make that "Libertarian") Party? Oh, knocked any windmills over lately?

Democrats are responsible for almost all of the asinine gun control legislation, be it state or federal. That's pretty easy for me to understand.
 
Do either the Libertarian or Constitutional party control a majority in any state or local legislative body anywhere in the country?

I'd even settle for control of a local school board ...
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From the libertarian website http://www.lp.org/

What kind of offices do Libertarians hold?

Around the USA there are Libertarian mayors, county executives, county council members and even a Libertarian sheriff! Libertarians also serve on school boards and in hundreds of local offices. In 2004 our candidates for U.S. earned over 1 million votes for the third time in a row, which is a feat no other third party has achieved.


I also heard that the Libertarians directly lead to the defeat of some Republican candidate out west... I want to say Montana. Apparently enough Republicans went Libertarian to take away support for the incumbent and he lost. Of course, this is purely from memory... I can't find a source right now... but I swear I heard it lol.
 
There are ZERO pro gun Democrats...

Ike Skelton, a Dem from Missouri, proclaims himself to be "pro-gun."

The very next day he votes to make Nancy Polosi, Speaker of the house of Representatives.

These fraudulant Dems claim to be pro-gun. Ike Skelton is a liar, a thief, and a crook.

Any vote that enables the liberals to hold office is not merely wasted, it is a shame. No Libertarian will ever be voted into a position of power. When you vote for a politician that can never win... well... uh... O.K. you are just stupid!@
 
It all sounds good, but this Country is just basically a 2 party system. It will take a lot of effort for any other party to ever win anything that amounts to much. It just ain't in the cards or the voters.
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Well if you expect it to happen over night then your right. But in the long term the 3rd parties are gaining steam. Nobody expected Jessie Ventura to win either but he proved that a 3rd party vote is not throwing yours away.
Just takes time. Something I hope we have enough of.
 
For everybody that wants change in the system remember this quote " if it is to be then it is up to me". When we make our choices between the lesser of 2 evils we are still choosing evil. Take a stand start with local, then work on state level then federal.
 
Any vote that enables the liberals to hold office is not merely wasted, it is a shame. No Libertarian will ever be voted into a position of power. When you vote for a politician that can never win... well... uh... O.K. you are just stupid!@
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I'm not trying to get combative or overstep my boundaries in this thread, but this mentality just confounds me. I hear it over and over when subjects like this are brought up in simliar threads on gun boards and elsewhere.

Why are we/anyone who votes third party stupid?

I hear a lot of people say that they won't vote at all if they don't like the candidates. I say, if you're not going to vote, Dem or Republican, vote for the third party. Why? Because most of those saying they won't vote are Republicans who will never vote Dem and won't vote for a RINO out of spite or personal convictions.

I see a connection between not voting and voting for a third party. If voting for a third party is useless, then isn't not voting just as useless? My opinion is that if you throw your vote in for that third party, if you're not going to vote anyways, that at least you're letting the appropriate party (D or R) know how many votes they lost. You can vote Libertarian or Green, that sends a message to the current two parties that they need to appease that particular group if they want their votes next go-around.

I just don't see how it's stupid. I think all sides see non-voters as just that... non-voters. They obviously don't care enough to show up. Heck, I say write in George Washington if nothing else... at least it shows that there is a group out there that is disgruntled... those are numbers that they pay attention to...

I think a third or fourth party is necessary... if nothing else it shows how many Americans WOULD show up at the polls and WOULD pick one of the two major parties, IF they swung one way or another. Staying home accomplishes nothing. I think those that stay home are the stupid (dumb) ones.
 
Because most libertarians are former Republicans, a vote for them is just a vote for the Democrats. No third party has had a chance in modern America, and might never in the future. Plus, the Libertarians are for open borders, and I can't think of a less sensible solution to the current illegal immigration as well as national security challenges. I don't agree with everything that the Republican party does, but I don't worry that they will try to take away my gun rights.
 
"I don't agree with everything that the Republican party does, but I don't worry that they will try to take away my gun rights."

Vito, take a good look at which party was in power when the various gun control bills were passed. I'd like to say that the Dems did it but the Pubbies were just as bad. Here, on these boards, it's fasionable to blast the "Liberal Democrats" but in all honesty, the Rinos are no better.
When the next election rolls around we all wonder what we can do to avoid "wasting" our vote. Too many of us equate an election with gambling and want little else than to be on the "winning" side. More and more frequently though, we wake up a few weeks or months later and find that our 'winner' is selling us down the river. We grumble and try to find some logical basis for what he or she has done to us and wait for the next election in which we do the same thing. As has been pointed out many times here and elsewhere, doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is a recipe for madness.
No, I will not vote for either a Democrat or a Republican anymore until they show me - by their actions, not their words - that they understand the rules of this Republic. By doing so, I may not vote for a winner but I will not enable a tyrant.
 
Because most libertarians are former Republicans, a vote for them is just a vote for the Democrats.
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That statement is incorrect mathematically. Not voting, or voting for a third party, are equivalent actions in a Rep vs Dem race, and both have only half the effect of voting for the "greater evil."

Please stop spouting that "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Cthulhu" line. It's nonsense rhetoric and demonstrates lack of thought.
 
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