What lube is this???

ZeSpectre

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Recently bought a used SIG 229 (9mm version). It had obviously had a good number of rounds through it and although it shows no indication of actual abuse, it wasn't exactly the best cleaned/maintained gun I've ever handled.

But I'll tell you this. I REALLY want to know what lube the previous owner used. The outside of the barrel, inside of the slide, and the rails, all felt unbelievably slick though there was no indication of wet-lube or grease still present.

I detail cleaned the gun with my usual mix of hot water and simple green and it definitely stripped all the grease and crud and such off the parts...and the barrel and so on still felt greasy slick like cooking oil on wax paper!

I've used a few different lubes including hoppes and Breakfree CLP and I've just never felt anything like this. Does anyone have any idea what might have been used because it makes the lubricating properties of Breakfree look absolutely pathetic!
 
It could be one of several. Properly applied and treated Militec-1 will do that. Also, properly applied Tetra grease will also leave a slick dry lube behind. There are others, but these are the ones I have experience with. It could also have been one of the moly or teflon dry lubes.
 
Well you are the second person to mention Militec-1 so I may have to get some and try it. I sure would like to make the slide on my CZ-52 feel like that.
 
Miltec is prob the stuff used.

Be sure you properly perform the initial treatments to get the result. Thier website has better procedure instructions than the package does.
 
...and maybe let us know :)

Eezox leaves parts slick but not oily. Don't know how it stands up to hot water and Simple Green, though :confused:
 
contacted the shop I bought the gun from.
They contacted the previous owner and the winning answer is...

MILITEC-1

Holy COW, I have GOT to get some of this stuff!!!
 
Militec-1 Round 1

Took three guns to the range this evening. Ruger 22/45, Kel-Tec P-3AT, and a CZ-52.

All three guns had been degreased, treated with Militec-1, and heated in an old toaster oven to "cure" the parts. I also used the tiniest dab of Militec-1 grease on the rails of the P-3AT and the CZ-52. After the initial treatment all three guns were noticeably more slick in operation but especially the CZ-52.

Ruger 22/45 (150 rounds fired).
I'm absolutely dieing to put a better trigger in this pistol, regardless of that the gun functioned flawlessly and smoothly. A simple run through with a boresnake left it clean enough for my tastes afterwards. Breakfree has always required me swabbing out the chamber but it didn't seem nearly as gooked up after this shooting session.

P-3AT (50 rounds fired)
Similar deal. The gun functioned flawlessly and seemed far less dirty than it has always been after a shooting session where Breakfree was used. An interesting thing I noticed is that the barrel and slide seem even more slippery than they did before. Possibly the heat of firing caused the Militec-1 to "cure" even further? I don't know for certain what the cause is but the barrel (and the slide where it was heated by the hot barrel) now have that same "greasy wax paper" feel that the SIG has (which is what started this whole adventure.)

CZ-52 (100 rounds fired)
Um, WOW! After 60ish rounds the CZ was getting pretty hot so I took a break. If the extra heat caused more "curing" for the P-3AT then the effect went double for the CZ-52! The barrel, locking rollers, recoil spring (which wraps around the barrel), and all of the friction surfaces in the slide now feel like "greasy waxed paper" even though they were essentially dry of lubricant. After letting it cool a bit I shot the remaining rounds with no issues.

At this point it is the slickest operating CZ-52 I've ever felt, it even seems to have improved the trigger somewhat (though this may just be my enthusiasm speaking). The CZ was also an absolute breeze to clean up (I shoot corrosive surplus so a water cleanup is a must) and even after the parts still felt slick/greasy smooth.

At this point all of these guns have been fired, cleaned up, and left "dry" (I added no more lubricant). Working the mechanisms they all still feel freshly oiled. This Militec-1 stuff is amazing so far!

Will post more as the testing continues.

Ze
 
Corossive Additives as Full Strength Lubricants -Delayed Corrosion in a Bottle

Many deleterious products are appearing in the firearms maintenance industry at an alarming rate, and many have been there for some time. These companies market on a “feel-good” basis, many of them, having questionable documentation, government letterhead “papers” on their web sites and in their advertising, along with no “significant” scientific tests and/or studies to back up their claims. Most make claims to being an extraordinary “lubricant” having false properties of protection and preservation, while assuring the public that they never use deceitful marketing practices and always tell the truth, mixing religion, in some cases, with accusations of government wrong-doing and bureaucratic quagmires. Some go as far as to capitalize on the deaths of fallen soldiers, while blaming the use of improper lubricants, cleaners, and preservatives on Defense Personnel in order to further their own sales, falsely. These companies ignore many claims of corrosion damage and in some cases, allay blame to the individual users themselves, along with usage of other products in conjunction with theirs.
Several more facts should be known about these companies along with the metalworking technologies that they improperly purvey, which results in the devastating effects that they have on weapons inspired by their products usage.

If the temperature of a weapon, coated with these products reaches 500 degrees F. or more, chemical corrosion will form on worn or bare metal surfaces as well as thinly Parkerized surfaces, especially if the weapon is neglected for any period of time. One or more of these products make claim to using a "hair dryer" or surface heating effect after application, which makes no difference in claims of "bonding" or creating a boundary film, nor does it help to protect the metals from environmental corrosion in any way.

Most of these companies are not manufacturers of their products and technologies, but purchase pure halogenated compounds from large chemical companies that specialize in metalworking additives to be used in their correct fashion as low percentage extreme pressure and anti-wear packages, not as stand-alone lubricants. They are masters of marketing and deception, and know little to nothing of the technical aspects, working chemistries and mechanisms of that, which they sell. Be vary wary of those making outlandish claims without providing defined explanations of their working chemistries and using buzzwords as well as false and/or misleading information combined with hyper-sensationalism to promote their products.

Be aware that these transgressor products can, and will, damage firearms in time. This damage is the result of the extreme pressure agents present in too high of a concentration, combined with little or no corrosion inhibition and/or protection, which will in time, cause corrosion fatigue and brittlizing of the contacting and stressed surfaces of the metal. Symptoms of this can be seen as rust-spot corrosion and pitting on passive metal surfaces. Examination under high magnification or SEM (Scanning Electron Micrograph) will reveal extreme pitting and brittlization of the metal surfaces, especially in the stressed surface areas. Corrosion-fatigue is the result of the combined action of an alternating stress and a corrosive environment ending in a brief and finite life of the weapon which eventually will fail, resulting in breakage, usually within 1-4 years depending on several factors:

1. Frequency of weapon usage in firing
2. Frequency of corrosive product usage
3. Severity of the corrosive environment (moisture/humidity)
4. Intensity of stress in stresses areas

Is the product you're using "One of these" type products? It's actually pretty easy to tell. Take a brightly scuffed piece of raw steel that has been thoroughly degreased and the lubricant-product in question. Coat the piece of steel with the product well. Then, take a spritzer bottle with tap water and apply a light coat of moisture, covering the product-coated steel and allow to set overnight and evaporate the moisture. You may also do this with another piece of steel that has no product on it as a "control group", to see how the moisture or water affects it by itself.
The results will be staggering. If any of you feel like trying it, let me know what your results are, and if you like, I'll share some even more pertinent info with you.

We ALL value our weapons and would hate to have these effects taking place on them, but the reality is that it DOES and IS happening every day in the industry.

Best regards,
 
Well hell, send me a tiny little sample and I'd be more than happy to dose a few guns with it. I don't really care WHO has the best stuff, I'm just LOOKING for the best stuff and when I find it I'll let other people know. Breakfree CLP seems to have treated my weapons well in terms of corrosion protection, now militec-1 seems to be doing an outstanding job of lubrication.

I'm no scientist and have access to no fancy equipment, I'm just a guy passing along my real world experiences.
 
Sample

Will do Ze....but if you have time, please try the test I suggested and let me know what you find out.

Best regards,
 
samples

Sure 50 and anyone else interested.

Just send us an email to gcfennell@steelshieldtech.com including your name and mailing address. I'll send you a free 1 oz bottle of "Weapon Shield" and YOU be the judge. This'll cost me but the return is worth every penny...and you all get to experiance the best of the best. That's my confidance level on "Weapon Shield" and the rest of our product line.

Once again, as before....I'll put my product where my mouth is for the next couple of weeks. All I ask in return is an honest posting and/or review of Steel Shield's "Weapon Shield".

Best regards
 
gcfennell,

This thread got my attention because I've been noticing the PR and the testimonials of some of these products and was thinking of trying Militec-1.

After looking at both websites and reading your post several times it sounds as though Weapon Shield is similar to the other synthetic hydrocarbon treatments but has more anti-corrosion properties???

Applying heat does nothing?

How about copper fouling. Do you still use a copper solvent and then treat with Weapon Sheild?

I also noticed Weapon Sheild is considerably cheaper. OK, you got my interest. Tell more.
 
Good to see you're back. I'll definitely be ordering some as soon as I get a chance (going to work now). Still have the old FP-10 you sent me years ago, but what the hell? Don't worry about the sample. You'll be getting an order from me pretty soon.
 
Thanks

Thanks guys and it's good to be back. The MS has actually gotten better and I've been doing alot of riding my FX this year.

rgates - my reference to the "heat" was with a "hair dryer", as some believe that it actually does something to activate the chemistries. Heat is essential, but on a micro-scale of surface contacting areas that will spike to 500 deg F and more during metal to metal contacts during operation. These are true "boundary conditions" that are critical in the wear department...and thats what we're fighting...heat and wear. But after the initial heat that causes the interaction of the Weapon Shield and surface metals to form a boundary film, the weapon from that point on will operate significantly cooler. THAT's the key ;)

For copper fouling, it's still advised to use a good copper remover, but after that, using the Weapon Shield will keep the fouling out and off the lands.

Thanks gentlemen and best regards. Sleep calls.
 
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