What kind of a Country do we have anyway?

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Nalapombu

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Hey all I wanted to share this with you all and get your thoughts and reactions. I was up very late last night and could not sleep so I thought that i would just watch the Weekly World News program on ABC that is on late at night. During the news cast they have scrolling across the bottom of the screen ballot issues in various states. Here was a sample of what I was ablr to catch.
In california there is a county that has on the ballot to make legal the right for people to have 25 pot plants.
Several states have ballot to confirm that marriage is between a man and a woman.
One eastern state has a ballot measure that would prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.
A couple of western states has issues about making english the official language.
After seeing this I was just stunned. Not that I did not think that this kind of thing was out there, I was just amazed at the depth of the ignorance of some of the states. So let me get this straight, in California right now it is legal for me to sit at home collect SSI and smoke a bag of dope a day because my back hurts, maybe next week I will be able to grow my own 25 plants for my supply. I am not allowed to buy and evil "assault weapon" though and I have to go and register some of my existing guns now.
Am I wrong here or is something terribly wrong with this country? What have we become and what are we going to turn into? The very thought of the future of this country scares me to death. Maybe we should all give up our guns and just lay around and smoke dope, at least we would be welcome and legal in the state of California.

Nala
 
Nala,
THE PROBLEM is stated here: Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."
Our Creator knows what we need and what makes us truly happy. The first thing is to worship and serve Him. He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to take our sins and to make those who accept Jesus sons of God. Although our nation has never been a Christian nation from the standpoint of the majority of the people being true Christians, the nation did as a whole accept the precepts given in the Holy Bible. As this nation has turned from them, and in fact ridicules and scoffs at them, we have deteriorated in many ways. The person who does not want to obey God thinks that he is free, but he is not. He doesn't have the same freedom to walk down the street at night as a generation ago. He doesn't have the same freedom from fear of our government as a generation ago. He doesn't have the same freedom to own firearms or use his land as we had then. The freedom to do evil is the freedom to put oneself under bondage to the consequences of sin. We have violence undreamed of when I was a young man. There is no respect for authority or for anyone, as evidenced by the language, the TV, the vulgar T-shirts, the school violence, and youth gangs, etc. Mankind is not basically good but is basically bad. When he rebels to the degree we have now we see the things you are talking about. It doesn't surprise some of us since God has said this would happen. 2 Timothy 3:1 " This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

Don't you recognize our nation here? This won't change unless this nation turns back to the precepts upon which it was founded. The violence will cause us to lose our RKBA and in fact our freedoms as we now know them, and which we see eroding away. If Gore gets in the rate of deterioration will accelerate greatly. Jerry
 
Is it any wonder when there are so many people who live in a perpetual state of denial.
http://interact.starnews.com/forums/Forum3/HTML/000960.html

check this out:

"Okay, this is my first posting. I have been reading the politic's topics for awhile and thought I would jump in with my own idea on how to handle guns. I believe there should be a "lockbox". Now, don't get confused between the "lockbox" that Al is talking about because if we tried to combine the two, it would get full pretty quick. You see, the government should be allowed to gather all of the guns, whether pistols, rifles, or shotguns. The owners of these guns can register them with the government, but the government would safeguard them in the "lockbox". Whenever a hunter is going to hunt or a sportsman is going to a shooting range, he can simply sign out his gun at his local state "lockbox". It would really benefit the police because once a crime is committed with a gun, the police would only have to look at who has signed out weapons from the "lockbox". This would narrow the search considerably. Just think of the reduction in crime and the reduction in accidental child shootings. The government could save many parents the trouble of worrying about their weapons falling into their child's hands. I see a lot of benefits from this, how about all of you?"
 
KAM - that proposal you forwarded reminds of Bismarck's reply to a man who suggested combining all the states of Europe into a single country: "It is a very good idea, requiring only the assent of the crowned heads of Europe." That proposal requires only the consent of all the criminals in the country.
 
Nalapombu

In regards tp the California thing with Marijuana, I would hope you'd be pleased with that development. People are getting back freedoms which have long been striped from them. Let me ask you this: if I choose to smoke marijuana, what buisness is it of yours or of the community? The fact that you would be incarcerated for that in most parts of the country is a stain on a nation founded on the principles of Liberty.

Make no mistake about it, our rights are all connected, and when the right ingest certain substances are eliminated, your gun rights are not far behind.

On another note, I agree that there is a great deal of hypocracy going on with people being selective about which rights they want to uphold and which they want to trample on.

[This message has been edited by glock glockler (edited November 02, 2000).]
 
In Alaska (where I live) there is a proposition to make Marijuana COMPLETELY Legal. Growing, selling, marketing, distributing, smoking, drinking cooking, &$%@#ing, Whatever you want to do with it. And to make Hemp a legal agricultural plant to grow in our Matanuska Valley. Why the hell not??? Does this really hurt anything? It should be legal, it is a personal freedom, just as alcohol, or ciggarrettes, or guns for that matter. Everybody knows that prohibition doesn't work. It just leads to more crime, and more Blackmarket trade, more taxes to try and enforce unenforcable laws. Pot is more available to kids that alcohol is.
This law will make it taxible, and legal to anyone over 18. It will free up our police who are "fightig the war on drugs" and lower our taxes to pay for these cops. It will cut down on sketchy *dark alley drug deals* where people get shot, robbed, and ripped off. People can conduct adult business in the broad daylight of a store, or home.
Why shouldn't dope be legal? Alaska leads the country in marijuana related arrests (probably because it WAS LEGAL until thwe early 90's. And I'd be willing to bet that this is going to pass. I'll be voting for it, and most people I know will. Chalk it up as "one for personal rights." Who knows, making our voice heard, we may get a chance to win the 2nd back.
 
One difference I might point out is that the right to keep and bear arms is specifically guaranteed by the Constitution, whereas getting stoned isn't.
Don't mix apples and oranges.
For what it's worth I think it should be legal for anyone dumb enough to smoke it. Just don't whine and ask for a government handout when the long-term effects kick in or turn it into a lawyer feeding frenzy like the tobacco farce.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Apple a Day hit it right on the head.

I feel the same way about weed (hell, about ALL drugs) as I do about guns. Owning the item should never be restricted, only misusing it. But I'd like to see the legalization of drugs correspond with an end to the welfare state. Let the junkies either quit, get treatment, or die.

Darwin wasn't just whistlin' Dixie!

Fulton Huxtable wrote a number of good essays on why no object should be illegal. Check out www.fatalblindness.com .

Later,
Chris

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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
 
i take a libertarian approach. the individual can do anything he/she desires as long as it does not violate the rights of others without their consent. want to smoke a bowl? go for it. i wouldn't encourage that kind of behavior, but who am i to say you cannot?
 
Legalize drugs and our economy goes in the tank. Couple hundred thousand out of work, trillion dollar industry gone.

I am against the drug laws, let em use em, don't bother the people unless they bother other people. But the economic results would be sumpin else.

Pure cocaine should be bout a buck a gram, that oughtta sort out the wannabees real quick. I would stay off the road for a month or so, then things should be pretty normal......except for the lack of money in circulation and a few less people.

Sam
 
Is there a bill reforming Welfare alongside the Legalizing Pot bill?

No? Sucks to be y'all.

Actually, it would probably be a Good Thing if Alaska does legalize pot -- a whole bunch of bottom-feeders will head for Alaska and take a burden off our welfare programs.

LawDog
 
This is veering off-topic, LawDog, but has it ever occurred to you that you might just be seeing the poorest of the pot smokers? That the rich and middle-class pot smokers aren't in the middle of the street breaking laws because they're not poor, and only have to break off a twentienth of their weekly income to buy a pound?

You do realize that people break laws to buy pot because pot is expensive, right? And that it's expensive because it's illegal? How many guys out there are stealing stereos to buy a 59 cent bottle of Night Train?

People on welfare, like people at any other income level, also buy televisions. Televisions are also expensive, and, like pot, arguably promote sloth. Should televisions be made illegal until we get people off the dole?
 
I don't see how repealing our drug laws would hurt the economy, if anything it would help it, provided that they are dismantled in an intelligent fashion. We could add tens of thousands to our workforce who are currently in jail for non-violent drug offences, which also means that the taxpayers would no longer have to support them. Some job training would have to be provided for many of them before they are released though, as being incarcerated for several years would leave them unprepared for the current job market. We would also have to tighten welfare severely, so that they would not be able to just get back on State means of support.

We would then have to embark on an education campaign, to teach our children the TRUE effects of drug use and steer them away from them, rather than the Gestapo propaganda that is being taught in DARE and other harmful programs. Police officers would also need means to test for these newly legal drugs in drivers, if they are the kind that would impair alertness and motor skills.

Once these steps are taken, we could expect a tremendous benefit to our economy as crime drops through the floor! The FBI could probably be cut by 2/3 and many State and Local departments could probably be cut by ½. The police that we keep would be of far greater caliber, as the profession would attract those who want to join it because they want to 'serve and protect' rather than those who are "warriors", and we could pay them more and afford better training. As violent crime plummets, us gun owners would gain some breathing room and maybe start making some gains. One of the things so successfully done in this country has been to blame the violence created by the 'drug war' on guns. The AK used by the drug dealer is targeted rather than the law that makes his product profitable.

The unexpected part of the enhanced economy would be the re-legalization of hemp (a non-narcotic strain of cannabis), which would revolutionize industry in the USA. Anything made from oil or wood can be made from Hemp, and usually far better to boot. One acre of the stuff can produce as much paper as 2-4 acres of trees, and of much higher quality without the toxic chemicals at a greatly reduced cost. You can run a Diesel engine off it with no problem! All this and much more from a plant that can be grown in all 50 states and needs only 120 days from planting to harvest. I strongly recommend anyone interested in Freedom, the environment, industry, or just about anything to read up on Hemp. It is fascinating and infuriating when you learned who banned it and why. There are plenty of resources on the web about it and you should have no trouble getting all the info you want on it and probably a whole lot more.

Try www.hempnation.com
 
Got news for y'all, pot WAS legal in Alaska many years ago, and the laws were not enforced in most of the nation. The doom and gloom situation you've forecasted did not happen. In fact, the dangerous drugs like crack and heroin made a big comeback after the war on drugs started, it's a lot easier to bust for pot than the other stuff. What happened in Alaska you ask? A mother wanted it to be made illegal "for the children".
 
The first part of the 1900's pot and heroin could be bought in the drug stores and we were the most productive nation on the planet. I agree that Darwins theory would take ahold and sort out the survivors from the **** heads. Thats ok by me we just wont have to support them if they die. Look at some other countries that have legalized drugs. They dont have the crime problem that we do.

The reality of the situation is that it will never happen. The government can never admit it was wrong and that a policy was a failure. I think the last time they did was in the 30's. Two, they would never let the tremendous amount of revenue out of their control. Hell, Klinton thinks that everything our parents worked so hard for is the governments so he wont get rid of the estate tax. That is small beans compaired to all of the money from fine, siezures and the money lining the pockets of crocked politicians. And third, it is not in our governments nature to do any kind of real downsizing (unless it is in the military). With the drug wars and drug related crimes down there will be nothing left for all of the cops to do. They can either fire them(yeah right) or turn their evil gaze upon people like us. After all we are the scurge of society now anyway. Hell, even murdering child molesters rank higher on the ladder than we do. That may actually free up enough useless people to make a registration scheme feasable. I shudder at the thought.

Just my .02

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We are in that delicate time, where it is to late to change anything with our votes, and too soon to shoot the bastards!

The gun is a tool. I am the weapon.
 
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