What is this cartridge?

Cheesehead

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Being relatively uneducated (compared to you old hands) as concerns pistol calibers I need help identifying a cartridge I've stumbled across.

It is a bottlenecked cartridge about the length of a 9mm but of smaller diameter. The markings on the base are "52" at 9:00, an oval that may say "242" (or it may be a symbol) at 12:00 and "33" at 3:00.

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Possibly 7.62x25? Maybe the new .357SIG?

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Unknown guns at the range...

7.62x25
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[This message has been edited by jcoyoung (edited May 04, 2000).]
 
Those markings are typical of Eastern European military cartridges, very likely Czechoslovakia.

It's most likely a 7.62x25
 
Possibly 7.62x25?

jcoyoung and mike are correct (i think). 7.62x25 is a very hot jap round(i think). My buddy has a norinco chambered in this round. That gun sends more sparks and noise downrange than any gun ive ever seen.

Fun though!

Tim : )

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Why dont you get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a glock. :::Tommy Lee Jones:::
 
7.62X25 was a Russian copy of the .30 Luger and was standard issue in Tokarevs and other Warsaw Pact weapons prior to the intro of the 9X18 Makarov. It's NOT a "Jap" round. The Japanese never had pistols in that caliber (preferring a very crappy 8mm nambu).
 
Norinco isnt japanese? or is the 7.62x??? the norinco round?


Please, educate me !


Tim

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Why dont you get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a glock. :::Tommy Lee Jones:::
 
Plastic Sig,

The 7.62x25 Tokarev round is a slight manufacturing variation of the 7.63x25 Mauser Broomhandle round (NOT the 7.63 Luger round, which is smaller and less powerful).

After WW I, the Germans, looking for trading partners, linked up with the Soviets, who were in the same boat. Germany sold the USSR something like 50,000 Broomhandles and ammo to go with it.

The BHs didn't go over all that well, but the round did. Through osmosis, the round developed a few very minor physical differences, but 7.62 Tok and 7.63 Mauser normally can be fired from the same guns with one VERY IMPORTANT EXCEPTION! (See below).

The Soviets kept the round when they developed the TT-30 (Tula Tokarev) pistol, from which the round gets its common name.

After that it was also chambered in a variety of Soviet submachine guns that saw heavy use in WW II and later with satellite states such as Korea (US GIs faced a lot of PPsH-41 subguns during Korea), Vietnam, etc.

The Soviets demanded ammo standardization within the Warsaw Pact, but the Czechs, wanting a more powerful handgun round, boosted the velocity/power of the 7.62 round considerably, and chambered the CZ-52 and some of their domestic subguns for this improved round.

It is this round that should NEVER be used in Broomhandle Mausers or really even Soviet TT semi-autos. It can cause the bolt to exit rearwards on the Broomhandle, and can batter the living hell out of the TTs.

The Chinese also used this round, and produced semi-auto TT-style pistols for it.

The Japanese, however, never used the 7.62 round. They had a rather anemic 8mm bottleneck round that was used in the Taisho 04 and Taisho 14 Nambu pistols, as well as the Type 94 (a true firearms abortion if ever there was one).
 
The 7.65 mm Parabellum (.30 Luger) and the 8mm Nambu are "about the length" of the 9mm Parabellum. The 7.63 x 25 (7.62 x 25 Russian) are noticeably longer.

Jim
 
After reviewing the answers here I believe the mystery cartridge is a 7.62 x 25 (Russian). Probably of Czech manufacture.

I grabbed a digital calipers and it comes close to matching the measures in jcoyoung's diagram.

It is "noticeably" longer than a 9mm. My apologies for the misinformation.

Thanks for the help.
 
Norinco's are from China, not Japan. To the best of my knowledge, Japan has no firearms manufacturers of its own. Other than that, I have no idea what y'all are talking about, which isn't an uncommon occurence.

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