What does an expanded .45ACP hollowpoint look like?
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Not really sure what you're asking. Modern .45 JHPs certainly DO expand, especially out of 5" barrels. There are a few brands that may not out of a 3.5" barrel, and of course there are certain tactical scenarios where a JHP in any caliber probably won't expand period. In .45 ACP the mushroom champs are the Winchester Silvertip and Speer 200gr. "flying ashtray". Of course, expansion isn't everything so choose your load for feed reliability first, terminal performance second, and 25yd. accuracy LAST.
I always use Federal 230gr. Hydra-Shoks, so that in the event the bullet doesn't open up at least I'm hitting the BG with a full 230gr. slug.
I always use Federal 230gr. Hydra-Shoks, so that in the event the bullet doesn't open up at least I'm hitting the BG with a full 230gr. slug.
Like this...
Left to right: Shot into balistic geletin from 15 yards (If I remeber correctly...15 or 20)
Cor-bon 165 Gr 10mm
10mm Silvertip 175 gr
10mm Silvertip (recovered from feril hog)
.45 Hydra-shock 230gr
Handloaded .45Colt 130 gr Golden Saber
last 3 are CCI Stingers from a rifle at 40 yards or so.
For the origonal post with all the penetration and expansion data do a search for "jello test results"
Left to right: Shot into balistic geletin from 15 yards (If I remeber correctly...15 or 20)
Cor-bon 165 Gr 10mm
10mm Silvertip 175 gr
10mm Silvertip (recovered from feril hog)
.45 Hydra-shock 230gr
Handloaded .45Colt 130 gr Golden Saber
last 3 are CCI Stingers from a rifle at 40 yards or so.
For the origonal post with all the penetration and expansion data do a search for "jello test results"
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Snappy,
They were recovered from Playdough.
I bought 60 pounds of Playdough from Wal-mart (despite all the strange looks from customers and cashiers) a couple years back.
Kept in a sealed 5 gallon bucket, it's still as moist as the day purchased.
Since then, I have tested all types of rounds against it, using barriers such as clothing as an attempt to simulate real conditions as closely as possible. After recovering the expanded bullet, all that's needed is running hot tap water and a little work with a toothbrush to clean off the Playdough from the nooks and crannies and presto!
It's reusable, works like a charm and it's down-right fun too!
They were recovered from Playdough.
I bought 60 pounds of Playdough from Wal-mart (despite all the strange looks from customers and cashiers) a couple years back.
Kept in a sealed 5 gallon bucket, it's still as moist as the day purchased.
Since then, I have tested all types of rounds against it, using barriers such as clothing as an attempt to simulate real conditions as closely as possible. After recovering the expanded bullet, all that's needed is running hot tap water and a little work with a toothbrush to clean off the Playdough from the nooks and crannies and presto!
It's reusable, works like a charm and it's down-right fun too!
Coop de Ville
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Snowdog,
Ouch! That thing looks nasty. I know I wouldn't want that thing headed for me.
By comparison, the GS's I've recovered show the "petals" folded way back against the base. No "cutters" like you got there.
Best, -Coop
Ouch! That thing looks nasty. I know I wouldn't want that thing headed for me.
By comparison, the GS's I've recovered show the "petals" folded way back against the base. No "cutters" like you got there.
Best, -Coop
Rovert,
Modeling clay would be ideal, but it was no where to be found in that quantity where I live.
With Playdough, you have to be ever cautious not to allow it too much time outside of it's bucket since it will dry out in a few hours.
I pull out enough to make five or six 4" cubes and line them up on a table. An old towel has to be tucked around them since the first 2 have the tendency to be split and sprayed everywhere by the bullet.
If you do buy the Playdough, make sure to by an air-tight container like a 5 gallon bucket with sealable lid too. Oh yeah, and get ready to spend an hour or so kneading all those little pretty-colored Playdough chunks together.
Modeling clay would be ideal, but it was no where to be found in that quantity where I live.
With Playdough, you have to be ever cautious not to allow it too much time outside of it's bucket since it will dry out in a few hours.
I pull out enough to make five or six 4" cubes and line them up on a table. An old towel has to be tucked around them since the first 2 have the tendency to be split and sprayed everywhere by the bullet.
If you do buy the Playdough, make sure to by an air-tight container like a 5 gallon bucket with sealable lid too. Oh yeah, and get ready to spend an hour or so kneading all those little pretty-colored Playdough chunks together.
LOL!
I was going to take the lazy man's way out. Stuff it all directly into the bucket.
Now that you mention it, as a possible solution to your towel idea, how about if I were to pack dough into PVC flanges? You know - the 4" diameter schedule 40 connectors used for household drainage? Prepack some of those suckers up by laying them on a table and just press in the dough, lock 'em up with a damp towel in a Home Depot orange bucket, and you're good to go, yes?
PlayDough. Cool. And all things being equal, it should be cheaper than modelling clay, right?
I was going to take the lazy man's way out. Stuff it all directly into the bucket.
Now that you mention it, as a possible solution to your towel idea, how about if I were to pack dough into PVC flanges? You know - the 4" diameter schedule 40 connectors used for household drainage? Prepack some of those suckers up by laying them on a table and just press in the dough, lock 'em up with a damp towel in a Home Depot orange bucket, and you're good to go, yes?
PlayDough. Cool. And all things being equal, it should be cheaper than modelling clay, right?
Rovert,
I think your idea will work. I suppose I could've found some more efficient ways to go about testing... it would have saved me some time for sure. I am happy with the medium anyway.
Playdough is great!
As for modeling clay, I really do think Playdough is cheaper like you said. Come to think of it, my playdough (which has been shot heading upwards to 100 times now with various hollowpoints) looks quite bit like modeling clay. Nearly the same texture too.
If you do go about with your PVC idea, let me know how it turns out. The only problem I can think of is the PCV possibly cracking due to the enormous pressure spike within the first 3 or 4 inches. Then again, with a 4" diameter, that might not be a problem. Maybe ABS could be looked into as well? A light baggie such as those from shopping stores could be placed in front of the first tube and attached with a rubberband to keep playdough from spraying back at you (and make clean-up easier).
Good luck!
BTW, someone once told me that a Playdough-like material can be made at home using salt, flour and a few other common ingredients. I'll check up on this as it may save you a few bucks.
I think your idea will work. I suppose I could've found some more efficient ways to go about testing... it would have saved me some time for sure. I am happy with the medium anyway.
Playdough is great!As for modeling clay, I really do think Playdough is cheaper like you said. Come to think of it, my playdough (which has been shot heading upwards to 100 times now with various hollowpoints) looks quite bit like modeling clay. Nearly the same texture too.
If you do go about with your PVC idea, let me know how it turns out. The only problem I can think of is the PCV possibly cracking due to the enormous pressure spike within the first 3 or 4 inches. Then again, with a 4" diameter, that might not be a problem. Maybe ABS could be looked into as well? A light baggie such as those from shopping stores could be placed in front of the first tube and attached with a rubberband to keep playdough from spraying back at you (and make clean-up easier).
Good luck!
BTW, someone once told me that a Playdough-like material can be made at home using salt, flour and a few other common ingredients. I'll check up on this as it may save you a few bucks.
One of the things I like about the PlayDough idea is the fact that it's nontoxic, and water soluable. So, if any gets on your clothing, you can just wash it out. It's not an earth material, so it should be easier, if it gets messy.
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