What defines 'aid and comfort to the enemy'?
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Well, making us look weak as society counts, which is what the extreme left is doing. When we look weak at home, it makes our resolve seem weak and it makes it seem that if only they kill more of our guys, the enemy will win(which is how we lost Vietnam).
I also believe protesting and calling our actions murderous dishonors our soldiers and hurts them emotionally. Saying that murder is happening in Iraq by the United States is calling every soldier over their a murderer, and that is wrong, and more over it is disgusting.
On the lighter note, this was forwarded to me by a friend, not sure if its true or not but its a good short story.
I also believe protesting and calling our actions murderous dishonors our soldiers and hurts them emotionally. Saying that murder is happening in Iraq by the United States is calling every soldier over their a murderer, and that is wrong, and more over it is disgusting.
On the lighter note, this was forwarded to me by a friend, not sure if its true or not but its a good short story.
XavierBreath
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War between countries or other entities is as much psychological as physical. The combat continues until a stalemate is reached such as with Korea or one side capitulates such as Japan.
In the days before world wide communication, negative statements within a country took months to reach the enemy, if at all. Television, and especially the internet has changed that. Today it is instantaneous. Negative statements regarding an ongoing war will always embolden the enemy. They are the clues that he looks for to see if he is getting closer to victory. Negative statements also demoralize a country's troops, no matter how you try to whitewash them. This makes our trrops less combat ready.
It is all a matter of degree, to be sure, but in today's world, negative press and statements can turn the tide from victory to defeat. Because of that many believe that it is aiding and abetting the enemy.
In the days before world wide communication, negative statements within a country took months to reach the enemy, if at all. Television, and especially the internet has changed that. Today it is instantaneous. Negative statements regarding an ongoing war will always embolden the enemy. They are the clues that he looks for to see if he is getting closer to victory. Negative statements also demoralize a country's troops, no matter how you try to whitewash them. This makes our trrops less combat ready.
It is all a matter of degree, to be sure, but in today's world, negative press and statements can turn the tide from victory to defeat. Because of that many believe that it is aiding and abetting the enemy.
I think our soldiers are doing a great job overseas..there are only a few bad apples. I think it is the administration that is letting our soldiers down. Especially in the case of Marine 2nd LT Pantano where the administration and Marine leadership left him out to hang for political expediency. Now that would be giving aid to the enemy in my opinion. Justice eventually prevailed in his case.
define aid and comfort.......to the enemy.......
What is aid and comfort to an enemy combatant:
When a newspaper tells it's staff members to get a story done and on the front page with half true statements that have been distorted and changed, that is one form of aid.
When a young actress from Hollywood goes and meets with an enemy of her own country in time of war. She gets her photo taken in a gun position, that same gun that shoots at our troops, that is another form of aid.
When a person elected to a political office of a nation then speaks lies or relays information that would make the enemy smile, that is aid.
When foreign media is showing photo or video coverage of dead troops that someone in our media had or released, that is aid to an enemy cause........
That is a very short list......... Anything that could damage a positive role, moral to troops and or American Citizens, or anything that could help the enemy in inflicting death, disorder, or defeat the cause of this nations military. It could be something minor as a 2 minute radio plug saying how the world hates us or something as well thought out as what the liberal media is doing with the so called Bush poll rate on tv.
*What would have been this nation's fate if after the attack at Pearl Harbor we did nothing? If the folks that didn't like FDR bashed his every move to make the war end with positive results? What would the troops moral level been if they heard radio reports after the Battle of the Bulge that the Army suffered from leadership and wasn't able to win? Just a few what if's to generate some thoughts of a time not so long ago in history.........
Hope that helps define it a little bit from the perspective of a veteran, one who feels strong enough about the issue not to run from it. I respect each American's right to Back It or Slack It.......That is why this nation is what it is........ Far from perfect but best place in the world I have lived and called my home and my country.......
What is aid and comfort to an enemy combatant:
When a newspaper tells it's staff members to get a story done and on the front page with half true statements that have been distorted and changed, that is one form of aid.
When a young actress from Hollywood goes and meets with an enemy of her own country in time of war. She gets her photo taken in a gun position, that same gun that shoots at our troops, that is another form of aid.
When a person elected to a political office of a nation then speaks lies or relays information that would make the enemy smile, that is aid.
When foreign media is showing photo or video coverage of dead troops that someone in our media had or released, that is aid to an enemy cause........
That is a very short list......... Anything that could damage a positive role, moral to troops and or American Citizens, or anything that could help the enemy in inflicting death, disorder, or defeat the cause of this nations military. It could be something minor as a 2 minute radio plug saying how the world hates us or something as well thought out as what the liberal media is doing with the so called Bush poll rate on tv.
*What would have been this nation's fate if after the attack at Pearl Harbor we did nothing? If the folks that didn't like FDR bashed his every move to make the war end with positive results? What would the troops moral level been if they heard radio reports after the Battle of the Bulge that the Army suffered from leadership and wasn't able to win? Just a few what if's to generate some thoughts of a time not so long ago in history.........
Hope that helps define it a little bit from the perspective of a veteran, one who feels strong enough about the issue not to run from it. I respect each American's right to Back It or Slack It.......That is why this nation is what it is........ Far from perfect but best place in the world I have lived and called my home and my country.......
Coltdriver
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Read Turbin Durbins comments on the Senate Floor.
That is a classic example of Aid and Comfort.
Don't know why you would find it disturbing that its a crime.
If you still don't understand go over to the Al Jazerra web site where they gleefully posted Turbin Durbins speech as evidence that America is really abusing the terrorists.
If you can't appreciate that, think about how you would feel if you were over in Iraq fighting for your life on behalf of America and you heard yourself compared to history's worst characters by an elected official of this country.
At some point you have to decide whose side you are on. Its not ok to be at war, enjoy all this country has to offer you, and still remain ambiguous about whose side you are on. That is a twisted, liberal, leftist notion of freedom of speech or whatever else they want to cloak it in. Its also classified as aid and comfort to the enemy.
That is a classic example of Aid and Comfort.
Don't know why you would find it disturbing that its a crime.
If you still don't understand go over to the Al Jazerra web site where they gleefully posted Turbin Durbins speech as evidence that America is really abusing the terrorists.
If you can't appreciate that, think about how you would feel if you were over in Iraq fighting for your life on behalf of America and you heard yourself compared to history's worst characters by an elected official of this country.
At some point you have to decide whose side you are on. Its not ok to be at war, enjoy all this country has to offer you, and still remain ambiguous about whose side you are on. That is a twisted, liberal, leftist notion of freedom of speech or whatever else they want to cloak it in. Its also classified as aid and comfort to the enemy.
Coltdriver
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Heist,
Are you still disturbed or has the notion of aid and comfort been clarified for you??
Are you still disturbed or has the notion of aid and comfort been clarified for you??
Coltdriver
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Heist,
I thought you were disturbed at not being able to give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Now you are asking me how I want to see those that give aid and comfort to the enemy punished??
Alright, in the interest of obligating you to an answer to my question I will answer yours. I'll say banish those who give aid and comfort to the enemy to the country of the enemy for one year.
And if you are going to tell me you have a right to free speech I will agree, but you do not have a right to freedom from the consequences of your speech. Nobody does, in this or any other country.
Thoughts lead to words, words lead to action, and the actions we take make up our character.
Now, are you still disturbed or has the notion of aid and comfort been clarified for you??
I thought you were disturbed at not being able to give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Now you are asking me how I want to see those that give aid and comfort to the enemy punished??
Alright, in the interest of obligating you to an answer to my question I will answer yours. I'll say banish those who give aid and comfort to the enemy to the country of the enemy for one year.
And if you are going to tell me you have a right to free speech I will agree, but you do not have a right to freedom from the consequences of your speech. Nobody does, in this or any other country.
Thoughts lead to words, words lead to action, and the actions we take make up our character.
Now, are you still disturbed or has the notion of aid and comfort been clarified for you??
Well if Hiest is guilty of giving aid and comfort to the enemy then Rumsfeld goes first........
I wonder how much the of the aid given then is responsible for the deaths of some of our folks?
Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz have been in Washington since the days of Nixon. Nixon thought Rummy was a dummy and was going to fire him but left office before he could. Funny how these names were around the middle east and they keep coming back in other administrations and our folks keep dying in wars there..makes you go hrmmmmmm
I wonder how much the of the aid given then is responsible for the deaths of some of our folks?
Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz have been in Washington since the days of Nixon. Nixon thought Rummy was a dummy and was going to fire him but left office before he could. Funny how these names were around the middle east and they keep coming back in other administrations and our folks keep dying in wars there..makes you go hrmmmmmm
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Coltdriver
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Heist said:
What defines 'aid and comfort to the enemy'?
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I always thought aid and comfort involved physically aiding or easing the lives of enemy soldiers. Apparently saying anything perceived as negative toward the soldiers in a war or about the administration counts as 'aid and comfort' to the enemy.
That is highly disturbing.
I just asked if you were still disturbed or if you were beginning to get some personal clarity on the topic.
I am not trying to troll you or anything else.
You said you were disturbed by the definition of aid and comfort. I tried to offer you some clairity. You can think anything you want Heist. If you are disturbed at not being able to give aid and comfort to the enemy through your speech, thats ok with me. I'm just trying to offer you a point of view you may not have contemplated in arriving at your disturbed state.
At least if you are one of those who thinks you have a right to say anything you want now you have heard from one other American who has reminded you that while you are free to speak, you are not free from the consequences of your speech.
Perhaps you would let us know why you are disturbed?
What defines 'aid and comfort to the enemy'?
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I always thought aid and comfort involved physically aiding or easing the lives of enemy soldiers. Apparently saying anything perceived as negative toward the soldiers in a war or about the administration counts as 'aid and comfort' to the enemy.
That is highly disturbing.
I just asked if you were still disturbed or if you were beginning to get some personal clarity on the topic.
I am not trying to troll you or anything else.
You said you were disturbed by the definition of aid and comfort. I tried to offer you some clairity. You can think anything you want Heist. If you are disturbed at not being able to give aid and comfort to the enemy through your speech, thats ok with me. I'm just trying to offer you a point of view you may not have contemplated in arriving at your disturbed state.
At least if you are one of those who thinks you have a right to say anything you want now you have heard from one other American who has reminded you that while you are free to speak, you are not free from the consequences of your speech.
Perhaps you would let us know why you are disturbed?
I think Bush is something less than the second coming, because of our porous borders and his groveling to the AWB. I'm also not very silent about his shortcomings.
Better ship me off to whoever our enemy is this year, I guess! Nice to know that if I ever become president, all I have to do is go to war to have a nice Nixon era strategy for quashing dissent.
Better ship me off to whoever our enemy is this year, I guess! Nice to know that if I ever become president, all I have to do is go to war to have a nice Nixon era strategy for quashing dissent.
Coltdriver
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You may be surprised to hear that I more than agree with you about Bush.
Bush has been a major dissappointment.
I guess when I hear pin heads like Turbin Durbin provide aid and comfort to the enemy it really ticks me off.
I think the most unfortunate consequence of Bush' stance on nearly everything is that he is going to split the party and hand the office to someone like Kerry or worse.
Hell, Bush gives outright physical aid to the enemy with his stance on our borders alone. Thats not aiding and comforting the enemy, thats just stating the plain truth.
Bush has been a major dissappointment.
I guess when I hear pin heads like Turbin Durbin provide aid and comfort to the enemy it really ticks me off.
I think the most unfortunate consequence of Bush' stance on nearly everything is that he is going to split the party and hand the office to someone like Kerry or worse.
Hell, Bush gives outright physical aid to the enemy with his stance on our borders alone. Thats not aiding and comforting the enemy, thats just stating the plain truth.
I think Durbin is a smacktart*. What scares me is the following scenario:
Hillary takes office and decides we have to invade x nation. Probably the Sudan or some south american place, one that we've been arming for decades and is suddenly a dictatorship that must be taken out. No real purpose other than to serve her ulterior motives. Then it'll be the leftists taking up the jingoist flag that we don't support our troops and that we're aiding the enemy, if anyone criticizes her or the move.
Because of soldiers, we have freedom.
They shouldn't be dying for some other guy's freedom and I won't accept 'bring freedom' as a reason for military force.
I just believe that our soldiers are valuable and that their lives are not for the wasting. It makes me ANGRY when I read about soldiers dying in Iraq. I'm not pleased with how it's going. We went in there for ostensibly good reasons. Whether there were WMD or not it's good enough to be cleaning up past mistakes and sticking to the path.
Afghanistan worked and judging by the lack of news stories of "quagmire in Kabul, doom and gloom at 11" it seems to still be fine.
Iraq worked, now we have an excellent little Green Zone and a gridlocked utility-less country outside the walls, shadowy byzantine political machinations punctuated by carbombs.
Browsing through 'raed' (iraqi blogger) and seeing how positively he was greeting the US liberation as it happened (to the point of gloatingly sharing his blog with anti war friends on a daily basis) and now how he views it negatively, I get angry and frustrated with how things are going there. It's not like I look for negative news, either. I want POSITIVE reports from there, something that shows me the guys on the ground see themselves as making a good change on a massive, widespread level.
*Not an insult to the 'differently-abled'
Hillary takes office and decides we have to invade x nation. Probably the Sudan or some south american place, one that we've been arming for decades and is suddenly a dictatorship that must be taken out. No real purpose other than to serve her ulterior motives. Then it'll be the leftists taking up the jingoist flag that we don't support our troops and that we're aiding the enemy, if anyone criticizes her or the move.
Because of soldiers, we have freedom.
They shouldn't be dying for some other guy's freedom and I won't accept 'bring freedom' as a reason for military force.
I just believe that our soldiers are valuable and that their lives are not for the wasting. It makes me ANGRY when I read about soldiers dying in Iraq. I'm not pleased with how it's going. We went in there for ostensibly good reasons. Whether there were WMD or not it's good enough to be cleaning up past mistakes and sticking to the path.
Afghanistan worked and judging by the lack of news stories of "quagmire in Kabul, doom and gloom at 11" it seems to still be fine.
Iraq worked, now we have an excellent little Green Zone and a gridlocked utility-less country outside the walls, shadowy byzantine political machinations punctuated by carbombs.
Browsing through 'raed' (iraqi blogger) and seeing how positively he was greeting the US liberation as it happened (to the point of gloatingly sharing his blog with anti war friends on a daily basis) and now how he views it negatively, I get angry and frustrated with how things are going there. It's not like I look for negative news, either. I want POSITIVE reports from there, something that shows me the guys on the ground see themselves as making a good change on a massive, widespread level.
*Not an insult to the 'differently-abled'
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Your post started as the question - what is aid and comfort to enemy......you said you thought it was of physical nature.........?
No.......your wrong
Aid and or comfort to an enemy isn't just physical items......... You know that and I know your smarter than the original question........
*Example #1003
When U.S. Troops were killed, clothing removed, roped and dragged down streets of Somolia. Cameras filming and showing the world the entire act. Remember seeing the persons doing it with smiles and chants of cheer. Notice how they increased in crowd size and got more happy and a party of them enjoying and energized the cause. Clinton ordered the troops out and called off the mission. Did the video and it's playing on world news aid and help the enemy
Your post started as the question - what is aid and comfort to enemy......you said you thought it was of physical nature.........?
No.......your wrong
Aid and or comfort to an enemy isn't just physical items......... You know that and I know your smarter than the original question........
*Example #1003
When U.S. Troops were killed, clothing removed, roped and dragged down streets of Somolia. Cameras filming and showing the world the entire act. Remember seeing the persons doing it with smiles and chants of cheer. Notice how they increased in crowd size and got more happy and a party of them enjoying and energized the cause. Clinton ordered the troops out and called off the mission. Did the video and it's playing on world news aid and help the enemy
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Aid and comfort ought to mean providing material resources or harboring enemies. Anything else, mostly ideological support, may be despicable, but it's not treason.
People on all sides of the political spectrum now equate belief and speech to action. If they are really the same thing, then every single classical liberal has been wrong in championing the absolute freedom of thought and speech.
People on all sides of the political spectrum now equate belief and speech to action. If they are really the same thing, then every single classical liberal has been wrong in championing the absolute freedom of thought and speech.