http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976050451.htm
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976044237.htm
Prices fair? How rare?
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976044237.htm
Prices fair? How rare?
What can anyone tell me about these CZs?
- Thread starter B Shipley
- Start date
Stephen A. Camp
Staff In Memoriam
Hello. The Bauska version is not so rare as the short slide version. I have several CZs that were imported by Bauska and shoot them, but I know not what they're are worth now. For a shooter, go with the heavier-slide Bauska import. For collecting, go with the short slide, early version. Best.
The Bauska is at a fair price. I'd try to talk the seller down. The short rail CZ is offered at an excellent price. These are extremely rare as only a small number were produced. They are highy sought after by CZ collectors. I've never seen one new and well used ones are sold for as much as $1000. In fact a couple of years ago one of my buddies bought a used one for $800. These early versions were practically hand made. The fit and finish is incredible. They're also made from the hardest steel ever used in a production pistol.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
I'm getting neither at the moment, so feel free to buy the short slide, if you want it.
I'd like to get a blued version of one of these earlier guns. Did they make any (besides the rare shorty)?
When did quality taper off in these guns? Are the late 80s/early 90s Action Arms imported models any good (I know these came blued)?
I'd like to get a blued version of one of these earlier guns. Did they make any (besides the rare shorty)?
When did quality taper off in these guns? Are the late 80s/early 90s Action Arms imported models any good (I know these came blued)?
B Shipley,
>When did quality taper off in these guns?
In the finish or the shootability? The newer ones may not be as pretty but they sure function well enough. To be fair, I'm not the type of person that thinks much of appearance when it comes to pistols so I'm not a good judge of that. I'm a believer in function over form. Not that there's anything worng with looking at it from another perspective, just that's it not my cup of tea. To me, the pistol that looks the best is the one that works every time.
I took my new CZ75B out to the range for the second time today and was impressed all over again. This is without a doubt the most accurate 9mm I've ever shot.
Joe/Ga
>When did quality taper off in these guns?
In the finish or the shootability? The newer ones may not be as pretty but they sure function well enough. To be fair, I'm not the type of person that thinks much of appearance when it comes to pistols so I'm not a good judge of that. I'm a believer in function over form. Not that there's anything worng with looking at it from another perspective, just that's it not my cup of tea. To me, the pistol that looks the best is the one that works every time.
I took my new CZ75B out to the range for the second time today and was impressed all over again. This is without a doubt the most accurate 9mm I've ever shot.
Joe/Ga
It's a personal preference, but no one can say that the trigger pulls on an older CZ75 are the same as on a CZ75B. Compare the fit of the slide to the frame, the polishing of internal parts, and the the slide release and safety on older and newer models an it immediately becomes clear that the older the CZ75 the better the quality. To me, a rough guide, is when CZ changed over to the spur hammer. Remember, the same factory that produced a few thousand pistols is now producing tens of thousands. Hand work has suffered. If you haven't fired a Bauska or earlier CZ75 next to a CZ75B then it's hard to explain how little things add up to a major difference. If you have, then like everyone else I know you'll come out in favor of the older CZ75s.
BTW the NIB Bauska import CZ75 is sold. Rats! A day late and a dollar short again.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
BTW the NIB Bauska import CZ75 is sold. Rats! A day late and a dollar short again.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
Tecolote,
Both of the early guns I linked have spur hammers.
I read at the library yesterday that they changed hammers in ~1988 to a heavier design to impart 15% more striking force, but that also appears to be a spur design. The newest models have a commander style.
When did Action Arms import these and does this coincide with the hammer change?
I really don't like the enamel, and don't want to have to look for a very rare model early CZ to get a blued finish, so I would prefer to get (1st choice) a blued Bauska, or (2nd) a blued Action Arms late 80s/early 90s, unless even these are significantly different in feel/quality.
Both of the early guns I linked have spur hammers.
I read at the library yesterday that they changed hammers in ~1988 to a heavier design to impart 15% more striking force, but that also appears to be a spur design. The newest models have a commander style.
When did Action Arms import these and does this coincide with the hammer change?
I really don't like the enamel, and don't want to have to look for a very rare model early CZ to get a blued finish, so I would prefer to get (1st choice) a blued Bauska, or (2nd) a blued Action Arms late 80s/early 90s, unless even these are significantly different in feel/quality.
B Shipley,
Forgive my typo, I did mean to say rowel and not spur. It does change things greatly.
I must admot that I'm a novice at CZs. Most of what I know comes from first hand experience and from articles I've read over the years in Jane's, The American Rifleman and such. Where did you read about the hammer change?
I cannot tell a difference between the Bauska and non-import marked early CZs, these are the best of the lot. Action Arms imports are fine specimens as well. Don't discount the early MRI imports. Some of these are actually marked Action Arms and MRI. I prefer the spur hammer because it's easier to get a grip on. If I'm not mistaken when CZ changed over to the rowel they also changed the slide release and safety shapes, making them larger, more angular and less sleek than in earlier models. Blued versions were imported by Bauska, Action Arms and MRI. Lately I've seen mostly polymer finished pistols. The only blued models I've seen are CZ85s and CZ85 Combats.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited June 18, 2000).]
Forgive my typo, I did mean to say rowel and not spur. It does change things greatly.
I must admot that I'm a novice at CZs. Most of what I know comes from first hand experience and from articles I've read over the years in Jane's, The American Rifleman and such. Where did you read about the hammer change?
I cannot tell a difference between the Bauska and non-import marked early CZs, these are the best of the lot. Action Arms imports are fine specimens as well. Don't discount the early MRI imports. Some of these are actually marked Action Arms and MRI. I prefer the spur hammer because it's easier to get a grip on. If I'm not mistaken when CZ changed over to the rowel they also changed the slide release and safety shapes, making them larger, more angular and less sleek than in earlier models. Blued versions were imported by Bauska, Action Arms and MRI. Lately I've seen mostly polymer finished pistols. The only blued models I've seen are CZ85s and CZ85 Combats.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited June 18, 2000).]
Lovely pistols, excellent workmanship - they LOOK hand-made too. But the .40 S&W CZ-75 I have just purchased will shoot all the shots in the 9 ring at 25m... so I am not complaining!
------------------
A thought from 'Big Bunny'...."The sword does not kill, it is a tool in the hands of the killer".... Seneca 'the younger' (circa AD 35)
------------------
A thought from 'Big Bunny'...."The sword does not kill, it is a tool in the hands of the killer".... Seneca 'the younger' (circa AD 35)
B Shipley,
I use rowel to describe the Commander/early HP type hammer. I don't know if this is the most common of terms, I picked it up from a local gunsmith.
I'm not sure if there's a particular way to judge watersheds in CZ quality. For my money, if I could afford it, I'd get a short rail model as the one www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976050451.htm These are the best of the breed. Next I get a Bauska (or non-import marked equivalent) such as the one at www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976044237.htm
I must say that while the CZ75B have a grittier trigger, aren't finished as nicely, and lack the smooth slide to frame fit of earlier models, they're every bit as reliable.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited June 19, 2000).]
I use rowel to describe the Commander/early HP type hammer. I don't know if this is the most common of terms, I picked it up from a local gunsmith.
I'm not sure if there's a particular way to judge watersheds in CZ quality. For my money, if I could afford it, I'd get a short rail model as the one www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976050451.htm These are the best of the breed. Next I get a Bauska (or non-import marked equivalent) such as the one at www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976044237.htm
I must say that while the CZ75B have a grittier trigger, aren't finished as nicely, and lack the smooth slide to frame fit of earlier models, they're every bit as reliable.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited June 19, 2000).]
Mired in little details agin it seams. Don't pick apart the new cz75b's. It seems some people are never happy. The so called grittier trigger is a function of the firing pin block mechanism more than any decrease in manufacturing quality. And I for one like the added safety. If you can't hit your target with a new CZ75B, it's not cause you got a GRITTY trigger, it's cause your marksmanship sucks! As for fit, I would like to find someone that can prove it with some calibers. I'm sure the guys at CZ quality control would like to hear all about it.
I swear, some of you guys would kick Jennifer Love Hewitt out of bed cause she didn't have one of her fingernails cut to the right length. You aren't makin yerself look smart by sayin she aint as good as she used to be cause of that fingernail. -ddt
I swear, some of you guys would kick Jennifer Love Hewitt out of bed cause she didn't have one of her fingernails cut to the right length. You aren't makin yerself look smart by sayin she aint as good as she used to be cause of that fingernail. -ddt
ddt 4 free,
Relax. Have you fired an early 9mm CZ75 next to a CZ75B? Have you compared them side by side? Have you compared the fit and finish of parts? If you have and you cannot find the differences then you stand alone. No one that I know that has compared two examples side by side can say they're equals. No one said anything about the CZ75B not being reliable or accurate. If you like your CZ75B that's great. I see no reason for you to flame those of us who have a different opinion.
PS Jennifer Love Hewitt is much too young for my tastes anyway.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.
Relax. Have you fired an early 9mm CZ75 next to a CZ75B? Have you compared them side by side? Have you compared the fit and finish of parts? If you have and you cannot find the differences then you stand alone. No one that I know that has compared two examples side by side can say they're equals. No one said anything about the CZ75B not being reliable or accurate. If you like your CZ75B that's great. I see no reason for you to flame those of us who have a different opinion.
PS Jennifer Love Hewitt is much too young for my tastes anyway.
------------------
So many pistols, so little money.