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What about all of the Jewish absentee ballots?
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More than likely. This is why we can't rely on the absentee ballots to solve this issue...
Historically, according to the news, the Reps get about 60% of this vote. I imagine these Jewish votes are represented in the other 40%.
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
Historically, according to the news, the Reps get about 60% of this vote. I imagine these Jewish votes are represented in the other 40%.
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
I don't have a source for you right now, but I have heard numerous times that anyone voting absentee (including Jews) in Florida, except for the military, had to have their ballots IN by November 7th. The military absentee ballots have been arriving in each county and are being stored in a vaults. November 17th at 5:00 pm they will be counted.
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This is as good a place to ask this as any. An election observer noted that in order for Hitlery to win the senate race in New York, she would have naturally needed the Jewish vote. But Hitlery is pro-Palestinian to the core. Why would they have voted for her? Or, to quote him, is something "fishy?"
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Hoka-hey
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Hoka-hey
Sodbuster,
For some reason that escapes all common sense, the great majority of Jews in this country vote Democrat each election. Most of them are anti-gun as well. You would think that they would know better after what has happened to them in the past.
I won't say anything further for fear of sounding like a racist.
Joe
For some reason that escapes all common sense, the great majority of Jews in this country vote Democrat each election. Most of them are anti-gun as well. You would think that they would know better after what has happened to them in the past.
I won't say anything further for fear of sounding like a racist.
Joe
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nralife:
I don't have a source for you right now, but I have heard numerous times that anyone voting absentee (including Jews) in Florida, except for the military, had to have their ballots IN by November 7th.
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nralife,
You may be right, I don't know...
I heard it differently though (my only source is the news). It's my understanding that most of the absentee ballots (those having already arrived) have already been counted, and those that haven't arrived yet will be counted up until Nov. 17...
I could be wrong. <shrug>
Ken
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
I don't have a source for you right now, but I have heard numerous times that anyone voting absentee (including Jews) in Florida, except for the military, had to have their ballots IN by November 7th.
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nralife,
You may be right, I don't know...
I heard it differently though (my only source is the news). It's my understanding that most of the absentee ballots (those having already arrived) have already been counted, and those that haven't arrived yet will be counted up until Nov. 17...
I could be wrong. <shrug>
Ken
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
The reasons the Jews vote Democratic (and you won't like it) are:
1. They see the GOP as right wing and more likely to be anti-semetic. There is reasonable evidence for this in the extremes.
2. The GOP trumpets Christianity as a core belief of the USA and this is a threat to church state separation.
3. Guns are seen in the hands of the conservative anti-semite. Thus they are a threat to them. That they can buy guns and fight it out with racists in unappealing and they haven't realized that it may be necessary.
4. Go to the gun shows and see the Nazis - do you wonder that they are not progun.
Everyonce in awhile, a racist surfaces here.
On Glocktalk, some particular idiots were wishing harm to Jews and other minorities.
So part of the blames is to dark underside of the RKBA and GOP extremes. Of course, the Dems have some of their own racists of the left.
But you want the answer and there it is.
1. They see the GOP as right wing and more likely to be anti-semetic. There is reasonable evidence for this in the extremes.
2. The GOP trumpets Christianity as a core belief of the USA and this is a threat to church state separation.
3. Guns are seen in the hands of the conservative anti-semite. Thus they are a threat to them. That they can buy guns and fight it out with racists in unappealing and they haven't realized that it may be necessary.
4. Go to the gun shows and see the Nazis - do you wonder that they are not progun.
Everyonce in awhile, a racist surfaces here.
On Glocktalk, some particular idiots were wishing harm to Jews and other minorities.
So part of the blames is to dark underside of the RKBA and GOP extremes. Of course, the Dems have some of their own racists of the left.
But you want the answer and there it is.
The specialist
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If you are gonna vote in this country you should have to reside here for 11 months out of the year. Unless you are in the military.
citizenguardian
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Here's an article from the Miami Herald on the overseas ballots:
More than 7,000 overseas ballots have yet to be returned to Florida, more than enough to turn the corner for George W. Bush or Al Gore -- although no one knows how many will actually be sent back or where in the world they will come from.
To be counted, they must arrive by 5 p.m. Friday.
According to state law, overseas ballots that arrive after election night are stored unopened in vaults in Florida's 67 counties. They will remain there, uncounted, until the Friday deadline passes. Each county decides when to count its votes.
In Miami-Dade County, 1,699 ballots were mailed to places like Barcelona, Spain, and Managua, and 1,138 came back in time to be counted on election night. That means 561 are still outstanding, but from which countries and how many military voters, no one can say.
Miami-Dade elections officials said 617 overseas ballots went to military addresses. One hundred of the 617 went to Virginia, and the remainder went to military or government addresses in 41 other states and territories.
A total of 1,082 ballots went to civilians living overseas. And the largest batch among those -- 44 -- was sent to Floridians living in Israel, where an estimated 10,000 Jews with Florida ties are living.
Election officials were not sure how many of the ballots from Israel were counted on election night and how many are still out there, or if their senders voted for Gore, as the Democratic Party believes.
``Our votes are in the mail,'' said Beverly Wolff, in an e-mail message from Haifa, Israel. ``Think of us as the cavalry riding to the rescue.'' She said she voted for Gore.
Bruce Yudewitz, director of community planning for the Greater Miami Jewish Federation, said he was not aware of any effort from Florida to organize voting from Israel. He said his organization does not endorse political candidates.
Other Florida counties where Navy and Air Force bases are located also reported that large numbers of ballots were mailed to military personnel, who Republican Party officials claim are more inclined to vote for Bush. But it was still uncertain just how many ballots are yet to be counted.
A Herald survey of 33 counties on Friday showed that 3,975 overseas ballots had not yet arrived in Florida. A Palm Beach Post survey of 52 counties on Thursday showed officials were waiting for 7,429 ballots of 15,230 that were requested. An Associated Press survey of 28 counties found that less than half of the roughly 7,000 ballots mailed overseas had not come back.
Okaloosa County Elections Supervisor Pat Hollarn said, ``I expect a sizable number -- at least a couple of hundred -- military votes, and most of those will be Republican.''
Escambia County, where Pensacola naval base is located, still had not received 1,176 ballots sent mostly to military personnel. Hillsborough County was waiting for 518. In Clay County, 195 overseas ballots, mostly military, were locked in a vault.
``I voted for Bush,'' said Army Staff Sgt. Bill Wyman, who said he was in the Middle East and is from Jacksonville. ``My vote is probably somewhere between here and Florida. That's one vote that could make a big difference.''
In descending order after Israel, Miami-Dade sent out 20 ballots to England, 17 to Costa Rica, 16 to Spain, 13 to Canada and 10 to France. Forty-six percent of those requesting ballots in Miami-Dade were Republicans, and 42 percent were Democrats.
In Broward County, an elections clerk said one survey showed 1,289 overseas ballots were mailed and 257 had not come back. But a second list showed 1,623 ballots mailed.
That second list showed 575 ballots requested by Democrats, of whom 114 were military and 461 were civilian; 596 ballots requested by Republicans, of whom 209 were military and 387 were civilian; and 452 requested by independents, of whom 119 were military and 333 were civilians.
More than 7,000 overseas ballots have yet to be returned to Florida, more than enough to turn the corner for George W. Bush or Al Gore -- although no one knows how many will actually be sent back or where in the world they will come from.
To be counted, they must arrive by 5 p.m. Friday.
According to state law, overseas ballots that arrive after election night are stored unopened in vaults in Florida's 67 counties. They will remain there, uncounted, until the Friday deadline passes. Each county decides when to count its votes.
In Miami-Dade County, 1,699 ballots were mailed to places like Barcelona, Spain, and Managua, and 1,138 came back in time to be counted on election night. That means 561 are still outstanding, but from which countries and how many military voters, no one can say.
Miami-Dade elections officials said 617 overseas ballots went to military addresses. One hundred of the 617 went to Virginia, and the remainder went to military or government addresses in 41 other states and territories.
A total of 1,082 ballots went to civilians living overseas. And the largest batch among those -- 44 -- was sent to Floridians living in Israel, where an estimated 10,000 Jews with Florida ties are living.
Election officials were not sure how many of the ballots from Israel were counted on election night and how many are still out there, or if their senders voted for Gore, as the Democratic Party believes.
``Our votes are in the mail,'' said Beverly Wolff, in an e-mail message from Haifa, Israel. ``Think of us as the cavalry riding to the rescue.'' She said she voted for Gore.
Bruce Yudewitz, director of community planning for the Greater Miami Jewish Federation, said he was not aware of any effort from Florida to organize voting from Israel. He said his organization does not endorse political candidates.
Other Florida counties where Navy and Air Force bases are located also reported that large numbers of ballots were mailed to military personnel, who Republican Party officials claim are more inclined to vote for Bush. But it was still uncertain just how many ballots are yet to be counted.
A Herald survey of 33 counties on Friday showed that 3,975 overseas ballots had not yet arrived in Florida. A Palm Beach Post survey of 52 counties on Thursday showed officials were waiting for 7,429 ballots of 15,230 that were requested. An Associated Press survey of 28 counties found that less than half of the roughly 7,000 ballots mailed overseas had not come back.
Okaloosa County Elections Supervisor Pat Hollarn said, ``I expect a sizable number -- at least a couple of hundred -- military votes, and most of those will be Republican.''
Escambia County, where Pensacola naval base is located, still had not received 1,176 ballots sent mostly to military personnel. Hillsborough County was waiting for 518. In Clay County, 195 overseas ballots, mostly military, were locked in a vault.
``I voted for Bush,'' said Army Staff Sgt. Bill Wyman, who said he was in the Middle East and is from Jacksonville. ``My vote is probably somewhere between here and Florida. That's one vote that could make a big difference.''
In descending order after Israel, Miami-Dade sent out 20 ballots to England, 17 to Costa Rica, 16 to Spain, 13 to Canada and 10 to France. Forty-six percent of those requesting ballots in Miami-Dade were Republicans, and 42 percent were Democrats.
In Broward County, an elections clerk said one survey showed 1,289 overseas ballots were mailed and 257 had not come back. But a second list showed 1,623 ballots mailed.
That second list showed 575 ballots requested by Democrats, of whom 114 were military and 461 were civilian; 596 ballots requested by Republicans, of whom 209 were military and 387 were civilian; and 452 requested by independents, of whom 119 were military and 333 were civilians.
EnochGale
I appreciate your insightful reasons. To what degree they are absolutely true, I don't know, but I would think they all possess some validity. Considering Nazism and Fascism, wasn't one of them right wing and one left wing? Why fear only the right wing?
Perhaps another reason, in conjunction with those listed above, is that there are so many pro-Israeli senators already, electing one pro-Palestinian isn't that big of a deal?
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Hoka-hey
I appreciate your insightful reasons. To what degree they are absolutely true, I don't know, but I would think they all possess some validity. Considering Nazism and Fascism, wasn't one of them right wing and one left wing? Why fear only the right wing?
Perhaps another reason, in conjunction with those listed above, is that there are so many pro-Israeli senators already, electing one pro-Palestinian isn't that big of a deal?
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Hoka-hey
EnochGale,
You make some interesting points I hadn't considered before... I had always thought that Jews would be fiercely independent in their ideologies - which, to my thinking, would include the right to self defense and thus the RKBA.
I wonder how we could convince the Jewish population in this country to rethink their political sympathies? One would think that the record of the Dems would drive them away in droves.
Ken
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
You make some interesting points I hadn't considered before... I had always thought that Jews would be fiercely independent in their ideologies - which, to my thinking, would include the right to self defense and thus the RKBA.
I wonder how we could convince the Jewish population in this country to rethink their political sympathies? One would think that the record of the Dems would drive them away in droves.
Ken
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God so values free will that He gave us all the freedom to turn our back on even Him. If liberty is that important to God, it should be that important to us all...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sodbuster:
EnochGale
I appreciate your insightful reasons. To what degree they are absolutely true, I don't know, but I would think they all possess some validity. Considering Nazism and Fascism, wasn't one of them right wing and one left wing? Why fear only the right wing?[/quote]
Nazi-ism is generally considered to be a form of fascism and fascism is generally considered to be on the far right. Indeed, one of the reasons Hitler was able to take power in Germany was because the Christian Democrats (center-right) form a coalition with them out of fear of communism. Many individual Germans also voted for Nazis because they thought only an authoritarian-capitalist regime could prevent an authoritarion-socialist regime. Jews over a certain age remember this.
Even in the 1950s in the U.S. jews were often persecuted to further anti-communism. Of the first 147 NYC teachers fired over the loyalty oaths, 143 were jewish.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps another reason, in conjunction with those listed above, is that there are so many pro-Israeli senators already, electing one pro-Palestinian isn't that big of a deal?[/quote]
I honestly don't think Hillary Clinton is very pro-palestinian. Certainly the current administration hasn't been (continuing funding of the Israeli military, continuing voting against U.N. resolutions condemning Israeli human rights abuses, etc). I know some people think Ms. Clinton is considerably to the left of her husband but I have yet to see any evidence of this.
From my non-scientific first-hand observations, reasons many jews support democratics include a generally stronger sense of societal responsibility towards the poor, a strong emphasis on education, and some ambiguity towards hawkish U.S. military policy (although I think the Dems have been just as hawkish often as the Repubs).
EnochGale
I appreciate your insightful reasons. To what degree they are absolutely true, I don't know, but I would think they all possess some validity. Considering Nazism and Fascism, wasn't one of them right wing and one left wing? Why fear only the right wing?[/quote]
Nazi-ism is generally considered to be a form of fascism and fascism is generally considered to be on the far right. Indeed, one of the reasons Hitler was able to take power in Germany was because the Christian Democrats (center-right) form a coalition with them out of fear of communism. Many individual Germans also voted for Nazis because they thought only an authoritarian-capitalist regime could prevent an authoritarion-socialist regime. Jews over a certain age remember this.
Even in the 1950s in the U.S. jews were often persecuted to further anti-communism. Of the first 147 NYC teachers fired over the loyalty oaths, 143 were jewish.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps another reason, in conjunction with those listed above, is that there are so many pro-Israeli senators already, electing one pro-Palestinian isn't that big of a deal?[/quote]
I honestly don't think Hillary Clinton is very pro-palestinian. Certainly the current administration hasn't been (continuing funding of the Israeli military, continuing voting against U.N. resolutions condemning Israeli human rights abuses, etc). I know some people think Ms. Clinton is considerably to the left of her husband but I have yet to see any evidence of this.
From my non-scientific first-hand observations, reasons many jews support democratics include a generally stronger sense of societal responsibility towards the poor, a strong emphasis on education, and some ambiguity towards hawkish U.S. military policy (although I think the Dems have been just as hawkish often as the Repubs).
oberkommando
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Ken, "I wonder how we could convince the Jewish population in this country to rethink their political sympathies? One would think that the record of the Dems would drive them away in droves."
If the boxcares weren't enough you are not going to convince them of the priority of self defence. As to Israel, I believe that it is divided like our country, that is a large group wants to give land and independence to the palestinians who in turn are not going to be content until Israel is completely destroyed.
All things come to those who wait and if the Jews keep up this liberal mindset maybe never again will be a whole lot sooner than they think.You know what they say about lying with dogs.
If the boxcares weren't enough you are not going to convince them of the priority of self defence. As to Israel, I believe that it is divided like our country, that is a large group wants to give land and independence to the palestinians who in turn are not going to be content until Israel is completely destroyed.
All things come to those who wait and if the Jews keep up this liberal mindset maybe never again will be a whole lot sooner than they think.You know what they say about lying with dogs.