What about a 15 day waiting period?

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smith_6288

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Now don't freak out. I am sure that the subject line of this post got a lot of you going.

My brother and I were sitting around last night talking about guns, CCW, the Smith and Wesson betrayal, how evil Clinton is, etc. I mentioned to him that when I got my first gun, in California, I had to go through a 15 day waiting period. That pissed me off. Now I live in Utah and I can go in and get a gun instantly. Then I got to thinking. Would I have been bothered by the 15 day wait if it meant that when I came back clean I could not only buy the gun, but also carry it concealed? I would have been fine with that.

So my question to you all is this: If Congress passed a national 15 day waiting period, but allowed you to not only buy a gun when you passed the check, BUT ALSO CARRY CONCEALED NATION-WIDE, would you go for it?

[This message has been edited by smith_6288 (edited April 01, 2000).]
 
No, We now have Insta Check, Same day in and out. Why should we have to take a step backwards because they are not going to agree to nation wide carry.My state can't even come up with reciprocating agreements with neighboring states for concealed carry. We as law abiding citizens should not be under this constant scrutiny and harassment by I might add Our Public Elected Employees.

Happy Shooting :)

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15-day waiting period? Sure, i'm all for it; but only if it apply's to being robbed, i.e. if someone is going to rob my house, they have to notify me 15-days in advanse, or if someone is going to take my wallet or car on the street, i'll need that 15-day notice first. ok?

~USP
 
15 day waiting period? No, you wouldn't have been bothered. Well, maybe...how about your fellow California residents that all of a sudden found themselves in the middle of the Rodney riots, and felt the need to protect their families and businesses? "Sorry, sir, you can come back in two weeks to pick up your shotgun....."?!
 
First, we shouldn't have to trade and second, they'll NEVER offer that or consider such an offer from us.

BUT if it were offered, I might. National CCW might be worth it.
 
Why should I accept such artificial, government-imposed limitations to my civil rights?

As a mature (age 53) “solid citizen” (never arrested or considered unstable, with 20+ years commissioned naval service, and 30+ years of TS/compartmented security clearances), I should not require governmental sanction to purchase one or more firearms anytime I want to. More important, these same liberties should apply to the vast majority of individuals who are also good citizens.

This isn’t only my opinion, it’s a fundamental Constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment. What’s really appalling is the willingness of political liberals, the media, and other well-intentioned persons to readily accept the emasculation of the Second Amendment, without ever recognizing that ALL civil rights inherent in the Constitution are weakened when we accept the diminution of any of them.
 
Yeah Smith...ya got me PO'd lol.
I live in Cali...for my viable life, there has always been a 15 day wait for pistolas...but I used to be able to (and have done) walk in, plunk the dinero down, and walk out with a long gun. Not now, and I do not like it one little bit. Fried chicken has killed/hurt more people than my guns

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smith_6288, here's another problem - you're thinking you can trust these people to deal fairly.

Even if you were willing to negotiate away your civil rights, they wouldn't stop at that level. If 15 days is good, wouldn't 30 days be better? We have a 10 round magazine limit now ... why not just modify that so it matches hunting reg's - let's only allow 5 rounds. Carry almost anywhere? No one 'needs' that, right? Prohibit all civilian carry in schools, then churches, then government buildings, then banks, then concerts, then public streets ... 'Powerful' .45ACP? No one needs that. Limit civilians to .38 Special ...

You get the picture. Sounds like paranoia until you start reading about all of the restrictions proposed and passed on firearms ownership all across the country. Last year, municipalities in California passed 474 new laws relating to firearms.

Friend, we're not dealing with honest people on the other side of this table. We're dealing with folks who range from naive, aggressive pacifists, to born liars who don't care one bit about what you regard as a civil right. They mean to take you down, step by step.

The constitutional and practical problems with 'waiting periods' are the most significant, IMHO. But, don't ignore the fact that you can't trust the anti-self defense movement. They're on a dead run now, and they need to be stopped at every turn.

Regards from AZ

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The problem with waiting periods is that sometimes you might want a gun faster than that. Let's say your gun is in the shop and you want a new one. Let's say you get an invite to go somewhere and you want a new gun.

If you pass NICS, why wait?

Now I understand your deal as I think we can trade for some stuff.

But this one doesn't make sense. Why get concealed privilege in the total USA for the gun you buy with the waiting period?

Given I have adequate handguns now, would I get instant national CCW status?

There are some things I would trade for national CCW like NICS checks for private sales at gun shows or mandating that trigger locks are sold with guns (not mandating use by the way).

I think this would be a fair trade but that usually gets two responses:

1. The antis wouldn't buy it
2. NO compromise. Tin Foil hats on Stun.
 
I don't believe in waiting periods no matter what kind of icing that is put on them. Waitng periods have been responsible for deaths. A woman was in danger because of her estranged husband. She bought a gun to protect herself from him, but she had to wait 48 hours before she could pick it up. Within 24 hours after she paid for the gun she and her two sons were killed by her husband.

Another reason that waiting periods/ background checks are not good is that it gives corrupt officials a chance to fabricate evidence against the buyer if someone is so inclined. It also creates lists of buyers which is tantamount to registration.
 
In this battle for our civil rights, I think we need to quote another great civil rights leader, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

A right delayed is a right denied.

"We Shall Overcome"
 
I can't say this enough: you bargain with someone who WANTS to bargain. If someone doesn't wish to bargain, or doesn't think he needs to, then he simply won't. You may be able to force him to follow orders but you can't force him into a bargain.
We can't bargain with the anti's. They think we're irresponsible at best and evil at worst; would you bargain with evil? More importantly, they don't think they need to bargain because they think they can crush us with only the public appearance of compromise. The only time they'll bargain is if we convince them we're strong enough that they have to, and if that happens then we'd be the ones who didn't need to bargain.

Glenn, I respect you but there's more here than some crazed conspiracy theory. There IS a pattern of dishonesty and pretend compromises that goes back decades; does it really matter that it's not directed by some High Council of the Stonecutters?
 
Don - IIRC - you live in a nonCCW state.
I'ved lived in 2. In each case, some compromises were made to get the law passed.

In OR, some antis wanted to pass a law to
ban carrying assault rifles in public. It's
nonsensical but they cared about it. As part of package, we got the CCW bill - clever.

In TX - the CHL bill had provisions to ban carry in church - that had to be adopted to get the bill. Later it was modified in our favor.

So - no compromise is an intellectually vacuous position of someone who just wants to loose and howl. That was what happened in the MO debacle.

The GOA strongly opposed the TX CHL as a compromise. Since it was passed, there have been a few times I have been carrying legally.
Everything went fine but if it didn't, should I thank the GOA as I die supporting their no compromise stance.

It might be the case because of stupid strategies that prevented some reasonable trades that we can't make such deals anymore.

I regard that as evidence that the first enemy of the RKBA is the antis and the second is the stupidity of pros.

Strategy and tactics use is a fluid and mobile situation as you move to your goal.

If you live in a non CCW state (correct me if I am wrong) - if such a bill comes up, step up the forefront and sabotage the bill as the GOA tried.

To be honest, some bills have been killed as the provisions have been too onerous.

That's why you figure out what you can live with.

If you don't think fluidily, you will continue to live in a non CCW state and soon a no gun USA.

The folks who think we are winning are fools, we may slow the offensive but the defensive never wins.

I suggested a strategy to increase ownership
and investment in the RKBA.

That's the point.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>What do stonecutters have to do with it?[/quote]

Nothing, and that's his point. He is jokingly referring to alot of the hardcore conspiracy theories that purport that the Masons are the ultimate power behind the NWO

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A 15 day waiting period was tried a few years ago in California. It had absolutely no effect on crime. suicides or anything else. California has now gone back to a 10 day waiting period.

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Oh.... :) Went over my head and I missed the point :)

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[This message has been edited by loknload (edited April 02, 2000).]
 
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