Sir William
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Rumour. Colt is going to drop the Python and Anaconda. No word on Colt Custom Shop yet. Single Action Army is unknown. Colt revolvers are going out of production in 2005. Anyone know more?
WHAAAT!?! Colt is no longer?
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Sammunition.44mag
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If the rumor is true, they might as well hang it up for keeps. The Python and Anaconda are their flagship products. And how many SAAs could they sell? Clones for the SAA are numerous and some are of just as high quality. Same with their 1911. One wonders if the DoD contract for the crappy M16 is enough to keep them afloat? I have my doubts...
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I don't know, but this is most certainly madness. I suppose that this will put a BIG crimp in the custom shop workings though. My guess is that if they are indeed going out that soon, nothing new will go onto the board and as such the budget cuts are bound to begin shortly.
How depressing.
Too bad it couldn't have been S&W with their da#$ed trigger lock lawyer guns.
I don't know, but this is most certainly madness. I suppose that this will put a BIG crimp in the custom shop workings though. My guess is that if they are indeed going out that soon, nothing new will go onto the board and as such the budget cuts are bound to begin shortly.
How depressing.
Too bad it couldn't have been S&W with their da#$ed trigger lock lawyer guns.
Double Naught Spy
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Stop the MADNESS!
Why do people even bother to listen to this stuff? Is there any Colt product that at one time or another wasn't supposedly slated to be discontinued? Heck, given the rumors, Colt is lucky to survive another day without being shutdown due to bankruptcy!
Why do people even bother to listen to this stuff? Is there any Colt product that at one time or another wasn't supposedly slated to be discontinued? Heck, given the rumors, Colt is lucky to survive another day without being shutdown due to bankruptcy!
Whaaat?
This forum may be one of the strongest indicators the rumors MAY be true. When you go through the firearms recommendations made by the participants you rarely see Colt mentioned. Nearly everyone recommends either S&W or Ruger which says either they are better suited or Colt fans don't write in. New shooters rarely have the Colt name thrown up before them as options.
This forum may be one of the strongest indicators the rumors MAY be true. When you go through the firearms recommendations made by the participants you rarely see Colt mentioned. Nearly everyone recommends either S&W or Ruger which says either they are better suited or Colt fans don't write in. New shooters rarely have the Colt name thrown up before them as options.
Rumors about Colt are constant. Every six months or so a new one floats by either started by their competitors or started by them to enhance sales. I mean this literally. You hear from gunshop owners especially "Colt's going out of buisness!! better by 'em now!" about twice a year. You can check on the truth of these by visiting Colt's website or just calling them on the phone.
Another source for info is the Colt section of the forums at www.1911forum.com
Awhile back they did suspend shipment of some new orders to dealers for a brief time to meet other production obligations. They do this from time to time.
There are a number of reasons that Colt doesn't function like alot of other firearms manufacturers, too many to go into, but they don't. Don't worry about it. They make a good product and will for awhile. Colt's sell very well.
tipoc
Another source for info is the Colt section of the forums at www.1911forum.com
Awhile back they did suspend shipment of some new orders to dealers for a brief time to meet other production obligations. They do this from time to time.
There are a number of reasons that Colt doesn't function like alot of other firearms manufacturers, too many to go into, but they don't. Don't worry about it. They make a good product and will for awhile. Colt's sell very well.
tipoc
Sammunition.44mag said:
Not hardly. Colts makes a little handgun called the 1911. Check it out.
Sammunition.44mag said:
Colt sells every SAA as fast as they can make them. Clones may be of high quality but they are still clones. BTW, in the opinion of the most educated 1911 folks (world famous gunsmiths) the Colts are considered the best quality production 1911.
Those crappy M16's do pretty darn well also.
So you have doubts about a company that can't make products fast enough to meet the high demand? Sounds like a good problem for Colt.
Sir William
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Anybody tried to order a new Colt in the last week? They come up out of stock.
Sammunition.44mag
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I went to Colt's website, and the info there is that they are splitting the company into two distinct entities...one for government sales and the other for commercial sales...maybe thats the source of the rumor. Oh, and I didnt forget about the 1911..Im no expert on 1911s, but its my understanding that they are metallurgically(spelling?) inferior to other makes. Theyre also over-priced, just like the SAA. The exception here would be the Python..I think its worth the premium price. And as for the crappy M16...yes, it is indeed "crappy". I finished a stint in the army, where I became intimately aquainted with this POS. For one thing, if its not kept immaculately clean, and I do mean immaculate, it will malfunction. Not a good thing in an assault rifle. I remember alot of NCO's that shouldve known better trying to overcome this problem with copious amounts of BreakFree, which only made things worse. Spraying BreakFree on sand and dirt particles in the weapon's receiver would only effect a temporary solution at best, and would only serve to attract and hold even more sand and dirt. My stepson stationed in Iraq confirms that the current incarnations of this weapon suffer from the same problem. It got our people killed in Vietnam and its getting our people killed today in the middle east. So, IMO, the rifle was a POS then, its a POS now, and it will be a POS tomorrow. Many other ex and current service members will no doubt agree. For another thing, IMO any rifle that has a "forward assist" (to "help seat the round" AFTER the weapon has been charged) as part of its design is inherently flawed. So I speak from experience on this issue. Give me a Galil anyday!
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Sammunition.44mag said:
You obiously did forget about the 1911 if you think the python and anaconda are Colts "flagship" products.
Your understanding is completely wrong about Colt 1911's. The Colts are actually superior to most other 1911's. Hardly over priced either. They could stuff them full of inferior MIM parts like springfield and kimber to lower the price. I'm glad they don't. The internal parts used by springer and kimber are the reason they "seem" like a good deal. THe parts are inferior and cheaper. One can buy a new Colt 1911 for the price of a springer milspec. Actually I have bought one of each in the recent past and the Colt was a few bucks cheaper in the end. That sounds like a good deal to me considering it is a better pistol than a springfield milspec in every way and I own both right now.
Sammunition.44mag said:
Simply not true. 100% not true. If you don't like it that is fine but you should know better than to make false statements like this. I have two AR's and they feed everything I have ever fed them clean or dirty. I surely believe that the Army's M16's are at least as good as my older than dirt el cheapo Oly Arms AR that runs like a champ.
Sammunition.44mag said:
Sounds like you had a bad experience with the AR/M16 rifle. I'm sorry that happened but AR's are not "crappy" rifles by any stretch.
Sammunition.44mag
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Youre right! I dont know what Im talking about. Nor, evidently, do thousands of other folks who were forced to carry and use the M16 as a tool of the trade, including just about every armorer I ever met when I was one of Uncle Sam's minions. As for accusing me of making "false statements", you, sir, should know better than to make such an unfounded accusation. You dont sound like someone who carried and used this rifle for a living.
Nope. I didn't carry it for a living BUT I know for a fact it is not a POS as you claim. Actually I very rarely hear military folks that I run into say anything bad about the rifle anymore.
I have fired many thousands of rounds through AR's (clean and dirty) without any problems to speak of.
Saying that M16's won't function unless they are cleaned to immaculate levels is simply not true.
I have fired many thousands of rounds through AR's (clean and dirty) without any problems to speak of.
Saying that M16's won't function unless they are cleaned to immaculate levels is simply not true.
Sammunition.44mag
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In your opinion the statement is false...in my experience, its the absolute truth, and I stand by my statement. Lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
It wasn't my opinion. It was my experience.
I will agree to disagree but.......
Seriously, any time you can make it to E. TN we can meet up at the range and you can shoot my AR's all day long if you wish and put as many rounds through them as you want. They won't give you any problems. You have to supply your own ammo but I will buy the beers afterwards.
I will agree to disagree but.......
Seriously, any time you can make it to E. TN we can meet up at the range and you can shoot my AR's all day long if you wish and put as many rounds through them as you want. They won't give you any problems. You have to supply your own ammo but I will buy the beers afterwards.
Sammunition.44mag
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Thankyou AUG, I appreciate the invite. I doubt I will ever be in your neck-o-the-woods, but if I am, I will take you up on your generous offer. 
When people express their "experiences" as we have here, its easy to get into disputes.
When people express their "experiences" as we have here, its easy to get into disputes.Just my two cents worth, but I came across anarticle recently about the new CEO of Colt. It mentioned that the company was working hard to get the contract for the next generation battle rifle(which I believe is going to H&K) and is putting alot of it's energies into it's military and LEO contracts. I didn't see alot about civilian plans and wondered if that would lead to rumors about them "downsizing". I'm sorry, I can't find the article now.
Just my 2 cents again. Colt may indeed cease production of the Anaconda and the Python. For awhile anyway. If they have not been selling well it may be a good move for the bosses there. If there is a demand they will turn the tap back on. For years part of Colt's marketing has been to make some versions of some guns scarce. Rumors circulate, guns sell, etc. At least twice a years for the last 6 years I've heard that "Colt is going out of buisness, buy 'em while you can, they'll all be collectable tommorrow", etc. OK. I don't worry about it much.
It's a mistake to blame Colt for malfunctioning of the AR in Iraq. I try to pay attention to such things and reports were scattered on this. It was not a generalized problem. Where it did come up it was traceable to the sand and dirt of Iraq which is finer than that encountered by U.S. forces elsewhere and to the lack of proper training and equipment. What was generalized was problems with the sand and grit getting into everything and causeing alot of mechanical problems, from armor to helicopters. This though is traceable to poor planning by the bosses and not learning from the first Gulf War and other actions. The AK has always been a better weapon in such conditions.
The problems with the M16 in Viet Nam were also traceable to the bosses. The story of their crimanal use of the wrong type ammo, as well as improper training which led to the early problems, has been told often.
The steel in Colt 1911's is very good. They are competative in price with other manufacturers for what you get. Colt's introduction of the dimpled ramps in the barrel a few years back is a step forward. Their slides and frames are still made from forgeings, unlike some other manufacturers.
Colt is one of the few gun manufacturers that does the bulk of it's work in plant with a minumum of outsourceing. Billets in one door guns out the other.
tipoc
It's a mistake to blame Colt for malfunctioning of the AR in Iraq. I try to pay attention to such things and reports were scattered on this. It was not a generalized problem. Where it did come up it was traceable to the sand and dirt of Iraq which is finer than that encountered by U.S. forces elsewhere and to the lack of proper training and equipment. What was generalized was problems with the sand and grit getting into everything and causeing alot of mechanical problems, from armor to helicopters. This though is traceable to poor planning by the bosses and not learning from the first Gulf War and other actions. The AK has always been a better weapon in such conditions.
The problems with the M16 in Viet Nam were also traceable to the bosses. The story of their crimanal use of the wrong type ammo, as well as improper training which led to the early problems, has been told often.
The steel in Colt 1911's is very good. They are competative in price with other manufacturers for what you get. Colt's introduction of the dimpled ramps in the barrel a few years back is a step forward. Their slides and frames are still made from forgeings, unlike some other manufacturers.
Colt is one of the few gun manufacturers that does the bulk of it's work in plant with a minumum of outsourceing. Billets in one door guns out the other.
tipoc
I DID carry an M-16 for a living. First an M16A1 and then a brand new A2. 25th ID (L) 85-89, then active Army Reserves as a Drill Sergeant out of Norman, OK. And I was the Unit Armorer when I was with the 1/62 ADA, 25th ID. The M-16 certainly had its share of problems when it first hit the "field" in Vietnam but the US Army has fixed both the product and the training. There is nothing at all wrong with M-16's or a good AR-15. I would happily carry one into combat just like over 100,000 American troops in Iraq are doing right now. The problems we are having there certainly have nothing to do with the M-16 despite the fact that all that blowing sand is just about the worst possible environment for them.
There are two basic schools in modern military rifles. You can have an AK type design that will function under just about any conditions and it will do it with the most indifferent maintenence. Or you can build a rifle with closer tolerences that will work perfectly if it is well maintained. The AK rifle will win in reliability. But the more precise rifle will win if real world accuracy is important. I'm a rifleman so I would rather have an M-16 than an AK. I'm capable of keeping it clean! (Although I own multiple examples of both as a civilian. As well as various MBR's like FAL's and CETME's.)
Gregg