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I have just became the owner of two shotguns. One .410 (.410-44 cal?, part of my question) and one SXS 10GA shotgun.

I will admit, since I've only seen, shot, and knew about .410's, 20's and 12's, the 10 gauge is might interesting. Came with some ammo also, did a side by side of the two (12 and 10), quite interesting to say the lest.

Okay, for the information on the two shotguns:

.410

Harrington & Richardson Arms Co.

410-44 cal.

Seriel is A50236

Gun is in good shape, the take down button (switch?) has had another screw put into the lever but still works.

10Guage:

Now, this one is hard to read all that is written on it. I did the best that I could so please bear with me:

Excelsior

Heminway London Laminated Steel (on the bar inbetween the barrels)

10 ga

Engraved (can't read what had been engraved in words)

#4895.

Now, the number was underneath the shotgun under a panel that you pulled a lever and the wood came off and you can see the number and some other symbols.

It has the flint lock type looking hammers. The firing system is very simple, the hammer comes down and hits the plunger type deal and the firing pin hits the primer.

It has a dual trigger deal. Back trigger will drop the hammer on one side, the front trigger the other.

Besides the stock having being broken and pinned/screwed back together, the gun seems to be in very good shape.

Besides some TLC and a looksy by a local smith, I think that I've just became a member of the shotgun collections association (with the having of the M. Ward 20gauge that I picked up).

Any information that any may have is more than welcome and wanted so that I know what exacly I have here.

I will tell you this, the 10ga is AWESOME. I generally get overly excited when I purchase a firearm, but to be given (I'll tell the story below) a 10ga shotgun, SXS, and in pretty decent shape.... Just awesome man, just totally awesome.

Now, the story:

My mom gives me a call around 1230pm western. Seems that one of the members in her apartment complex has a couple of shotguns. He doesn't want them, his kids don't want them, so does she know of anyone that may want them.

She tells them that her son is a "gun nut" :rolleyes: (Mom I say to her, I'm not a gun nut, I just appreciate them okay).

He says, well take them, give them to him if he wants them. I can't have them here, my kids don't want them and I need to just get rid of them.

So here I am, typing away like crazy on this board, trying to keep the thread/post short and am doing badly on doing so.

I don't know how else to say it, THIS IS JUST SO AWESOME that these firearms have fallen into my lap.

Wayne
 
The H&R should say .410/.45 cal. It should shoot .410 shotgun shells and .45 "Long" Colt ammo intechangebly (although the .45 won't be very accurate from a smooth bore). It would make a fine pack gun.

DON'T SHOOT THE 10-GA.!!!!!!!! Have it checked out by a reputable gunsmith first! The "laminated steel" barrels may be Damascus twist that was made for black powder shells - not modern shells! They could unravel, or even explode using modern ammo! :eek:
 
The H&R should say .410/.45 cal. It should shoot .410 shotgun shells and .45 "Long" Colt ammo intechangebly (although the .45 won't be very accurate from a smooth bore).
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DO NOT ATTEMPT to fire any .45 cal out of a gun that's bore is .41. KABOOM. Yes a .45Long Colt cartridge will fit perfectly into a .410 chamber, but only on selected guns like a Thompson Contender is it meant to be fired. And a Contender is chambered for .45LC first and .410 second.

I am not sure what your caliber/gauge markings mean, but I would shoot nothing but 2.5" .410 shells through it. H&R shotguns are a good utility shotgun made with modern steel and should be quite safe to shoot.
 
If I could get Staff to move this to the Harley Nolden's Institute for Firearms Research Forum or if I could get some of the folks from there to come over and help with some research I would be grateful.

Not really interested in the H&R but the G. Heminway (sp?) as my searches have come up with very little.

Thanks,

Wayne
 
The Excelsior is a trade name used by Iver Johnson arms Y Bicycle works on shotguns. I am guessing somewhere around the 1920's or so.

HJN
 
Harley,

Thank you so much for coming to the thread and for the Information.

Do you know if the gun has the damascus barrels that I hear about? (I'm going to go ahead and get it checked out but that won't be until next year).

Again, thank you for the help :).

Wayne
 
Make sure you have them registered to you now..... if something happens and they don't come up in your name and are in your hands, you could get screwed. In most states, you have to handle to the sale/purchase of private firearms through a gun shop.

just wanted to let you know incase it applies to you.
 
CORRECTION: In most states the private purchase of a firearm is just that - private! There is no legal need to have a firearm registered to you if it was purchased legally from the legal owner. Only a few states require all gun purchases to be registered. The 10-ga. is probably so old it "grandfathers" out anyway.
 
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