Well regulated militias? Can you help?

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416Rigby

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Hi guys,

Just wondering whether any of you freedom-loving dudes (and dudettes) can shed some light on something for good'ol Rigby.

Are there some kosher, non-wacko, non-black-helicopter militia movements worth belonging to?

I have explored some websites that range from the "yikes!" to the apologetically-timid. I would like to find one that has the following requisites:

1) Is comprised of educated, freedom-loving thinkers like the posters of TFL;

2) Does not promote hate, racism or illegal activities;

3) Focuses on the support and the exercise of the Constitution, 2nd Amendment in particular;

4) Has strong leadership, clout and vision;

5) Gets involved, holds rallies, meets regularly and trains their mambers in the responsible use of firearms.

Can any of you help?

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If you are younger than 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart.

If you are older than 20 and STILL a Liberal, you have no brain.
 
It all depends on your location. I've been generally impressed with the michigan militia. I live in Texas, and there are several organizations here ranging again from Yikes! to well-organized. There is an organization called the Texas State Guard (not to be confused with the National Guard) that serves directly under the Governor (GW Bush), and cannot be federalized. I've met some interesting characters from the organization. I've met a six star general who couldn't have more than an eighth grade education. "Well Regulated" is absent in a lot of these organizations, but I guess like anything else, you get out of it what is put into it. Good luck in your search, and don't be afraid to join a less than perfect group, and then strive to improve it.
 
Rigby...

I've performed the same exersize and came up empty. Not because there aren't any good groups out there, but because most of them have been infiltrated by the FBI or some other alphabet soup agency.

In fact, they say that you can always tell who the fed in the group is, because he'll be the one that spouts the loudest most radical opinions in an attempt to motivate others to action. Furthermore, you can be almost certain that every militia member has had their background run by some fed, and they even know when someone sneezes. Talk about lists!

They are far too obvious for my taste buds. You have to think like a potential adversary would today. Easy targets are easily eliminated. Targets you can't see are infinitely more difficult to eliminate.
 
Well, I see your point, Paul.

But I don't see the potential infiltration of some bureaucrat as a sufficient reason not to form, belong to or support a lawful, non-facinorous organization.

I know that the word "militia" alone is enough these days to stop a conversation in its tracks - almost beyond redemption. But let's think "militia" in our Founders' meaning, not in the Liberal Left's meaning.

My question was not about a nutty, anti-government collection of trigger-happy sociopaths a la McVeigh (I, for one, would never want to associate with them).
Rather, it was about a responsible, law-abiding group of watchdogs who stand up for the ultimate Law of this Land, the Constitution; and canvass, inform, recruit and, if needed, raise their voice in defence of the Constitution in the public forum.

Hey, if we want to talk about politically-unpopular organizations that may be monitored by the local PC-Plod, you don't have to go Militia: pro-life groups, Christian groups, the NRA, even the subscription to an un-PC magazine can put you on a list.

I think that forming (or joining) a responsible group of law-abiding citizens who speak loud enough for ALL the Constitution, Second Amendment and all, can only do good to our cause. And we have the Internet on our side now, so we don't even have to be in the same geographical region to get organized. And if some Fed infiltrates, so what? Maybe he/she can learn something too!

After all, the GOA, SAF, SAS, and NRA can be viewed as "militias" in their own right. I was specifically asking about one that you can join in person, go to rallies, organize recruitments, train in responsible firearm use......etc

The Left is not afraid of organizing, even when it comes to extremist groups like Nation of Islam, so why should we when all we want is to uphold the ultimate Law of the Land?

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If you are younger than 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart.

If you are older than 20 and STILL a Liberal, you have no brain.
 
The larger the group, the more likely it will attract the attention of government and be infiltrated. For personal security purposes you would be better off finding two or three people you really trust to work with and develop a mutual security arrangement for times of natural disaster or breakdown of public order.

If you have plans for "striking back" you would be best served by keeping such notions to yourself. Remember, three can keep a secret if two are dead.

Also, even Ted Kaczinski found he couldn't trust his brother. He's the Unabomber.
 
The word "militia" certainly has negative conotations in today's society. The company I work for is involved in marketing. It is a subsidiary of a large ".com" company. We break consumer buying habits down, analyse them, and help put businesses in touch with potential customers and visa versa. One of our consumer categories used to be called "militia." Due to growing protest from our clients being associated with militias, we have renamed it "rugged male." Our clients seem to like that... :)

Erik
 
Rigby, I think that there's wisdom in the words, and advice you've received.
I would think that you already have members of your own community who're ready for the type group you seek.
All it takes, is to know who you are, and where you fall into your own group of selected friends.
I think that we are the Militia, in every sense. We've taken to nearly all manner of conversation, and walked away, sometimes angry, smoetimes sad, but always walked away knowing more than you did before.
At least for me.

I've been approached by a newer friend(FFL) to become part of/start a local militia group. I'm apprehensive about this as yet, because I don't know this guy all that well. And I may never get to know him all that well either.
But, I've apparently come across to this guy as a militiamen, or a potential member, I don't know. Perhaps it has somethging to do with my acquisition of 14 firearms from him during the past year :). And maybe the types I FFL'd through him, AK's, SKS's, M11, etc...

But I would suggest you approach this with a wet finger to the wind, because it will likely be a lifelong venture. However long/short that life may be, because of those choices.
One thing for sure though, there will likely come a day when we'll all wish we'd made provisions for what lay at our feet.
For myself and mine, too much is never enough. I will continue to acquire the necessary tools to provide food, and protection from whatever enemy comes within range. I'm NOT Rambo, or John Wayne. I wasn't in the Special Forces. But I have seen the world through the eyes of a cynic. And I believe that there is always a rational answer for everything that happens.

I think you're intelligent enough to decipher that!

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
Paul's response reminds me of something I heard about World War 2.

During WWII, the FBI kept an eye on many of the Communist/Nazi organizations around the country.

Sometime in the 70's, I believe, it was discovered that many of the organizations were kept afloat financially only by the dues paid by the infiltrating FBI agents.

Seems that your average WWII-era commie pinko didn't pay club dues with any great regularity.

If the Feebies had left them alone, most of them would have gone belly-up on their own.

;)

LawDog
 
Try this on for size...

Society has come unglued after some socieo-political upheaval. The president enacts marshall law and curfews. Two days later, businesses are told to shut their doors, transportation systems grind to a halt, and people are told to remain in their homes. Two days after that, UN convoys roll into the major cities, shutting them off. Door to door raids commence. Citizens who have been tied to various freedom groups or who have unwantingly registered their weapons are targeted with the highest priority. News links are controlled by the opposition in an effort to mask the terror which has become commonplace.

Your communications have been cut off. You're standing alone now. No militia, no buds from your hunting club, no guys from the gun shop, just you...maybe your wife can help. Maybe she's nursing your newborn. It's just you.

How do YOU establish a resistance movement?

The moral of this story is to be independent.
 
Paul,
I think you've hit the essence of the topic. But, unfortunately, it's again one of those things you usually can't do alone.

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Your communications have been cut off. You're standing alone now. No militia, no buds from your hunting club, no guys from the gun shop, just you...maybe your wife can help. Maybe she's nursing your newborn. It's just you.

How do YOU establish a resistance movement?

The moral of this story is to be independent.
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I would think a resistance movement would comprise more than one body, in order to be effective. Perhaps not twenty, but more than one. Of course that depends on the type resistance you're attempting.
Kacsynski was singular and elusive for years(20?) before being snagged by his own brothers actions.

Just goes to show, you can pick your friends, but not your relatives.
Much as a soldier, do you know who you can & will trust with your life?
Personally speaking, there's 6 or less people I know that I would put in that category.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited February 23, 2000).]
 
Donny...

A resistance movement isn't something that can be planned ahead of a major event. It is something that must take shape after knowing what is being faced. Adaptability is key.

Enemies cannot focus their attack on unknown resisters, only those with known identities, affiliations, and addresses. As the event develops, those who become successful independent resisters will join others in the field. Together they form a resistence unit. That unit in turn joins with other similar units as the movement progresses.

The point of staying intitially independent is to avoid detection and capture. Affiliations with known resistence groups only broadens the enemy's target, and reduces your personal chances of survival.

Think of the sniper mentality. An individual with specific goals and objectives, selects long range targets, then quickly leaves the area. Sabotage and guerilla warfare win out when targets are not easily identifiable.

Trust no one with your life but yourself.
 
i have yet to find a group i would trust or join that said if you find one be careful me its not that there ant any good groups out there but they wont be easy to find think about it how can you trust your life/your families life to a group you find on the net or similar places were every body and there big brother knows about them i personaly trust very few people with my life or otherwise even members of my own fam. dont have my full trust while i would defend them with my life ect. i still do not trust some of them to do the same for me or if it came to it there are some of them that would rollover for the right offer

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oneshotonekill
 
Wow, zip,

I dig your style (no sarcasm)! That absence of periods and commas really is thrusting and direct! Is that a trademark or you just in a hurry?

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If you are younger than 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart.
If you are older than 20 and STILL a Liberal, you have no brain.

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I know a guy in the michigan militia. Seems to be the nicest guy we would talk about politics and constitutional law. One day he comes in and tells me that the government is controlling the weather with huge magnetic fields within alaska and canada. Sorry, I no longer believe a majority of what he tells me. Its a good thing he doesn't know I am jewish, which is another reason I don't belong in a militia. They are all infultrated by fbi and cia agents and I would rather keep the low profile. Anyways I thought any abled body person is a member of its states militia already? Isn't that what that new bill in vermont is all about.
 
rigby a little bit of both i was in some what of a hurry and if im writing any thing i normaly leave out the puncuation unless its somthing such as a research paper or the likes that actuly needs it normaly though its just that im in a hurry lol

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oneshotonekill
 
416, email me: snakebitesden@yahoo.com (put "Militia/Firing Line forum" in the subject line so I'll know what it's regarding.
 
I tried to attend a meeting of the type of militia you describe 416, but the black helicopters were following me, so I didn't want to blow their cover.
 
Hey 416Rigby: Hang out with "like minded souls", you know, at the gun clubs, maybe folks like you find at Libertarian meetings, etc. As you increase your social contacts in these groups you may just run across what yor looking for. In these days of rampant Govt intervention into every part of everyday life, and the anti-gun social agendas, some folks are kinda shy about speaking up too much around strangers. Stay safe.
 
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