Welcome to a New World (Disorder): A Visit to a Gun Show

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Wow...this guy is good, gotta give him credit.

He, without being hysterical or panicky, dismisses pretty much everyone who attends a gun show. His attitude is "knowingly superior" and fashionably bored. Herr Goebbels would be pleased

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Yeah! And, it took him more than several paragraphs before he smeared everyone with a "Nazi/racist" tag. What restraint!!

[This message has been edited by Gopher a 45 (edited February 06, 2000).]
 
I was asked to post this, it was a reply sent to the author of the gun show tome:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Read your story on the Ohio gun show but fail to understand
what this was an exercise in . You tell us about the " overweight " guy at
the door and I later looked at your picture . It seems you passed up an
opportunity to bond with a kindred spirit . Your observations are more like a
poor attempt to get a B+ in freshman composition . This very story could have
been taken from some other author making observations at a dog show with the
word dog replaced with gun . The people you describe are exercising their God
given right to look at stuff and exchange ideas . If you have a problem with
the Militia movement then stick to that . Don't ridicule people for going to
a show . You should join a Militia and report from the inside . If there is
something people should know about then there is work for you . Otherwise you
are just a frustrated writer wannabee whoring yourself to Anti-gun extremists
. You use the First Amendment like a club to destroy the Second Amendment .
These are BOTH part of the Bill of Rights adopted by our founding fathers .
Is it possible that they were inspired by God to pen the First , became
blithering idiots and penned the Second and then regained their senses to
continue on ? Think not .


TOM SASS MEMBER AMERICAN LEGION MEMBER
Just a raggety old truck driver tryin' to get thru life without meetin' too
many idiots on the road. Lord knows there's a bunch of them out there .[/quote]

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Excuse me, but I say the guy himself is a racist. He makes a reference that Blacks generally don't make a presence at these type gatherings. How many does he goto, and where?
He should have been to the Gun Show in DesMoines, IA last weekend, 1/28-30/99. There were plenty of women, a whole lotta kids with their parents! And no kidding, there were a lot of Blacks, Mexican, Asian, and even White people there. We all seemed to have a common purpose to be there, and all having a good time.
I always goto Gun Shows, and walk away knowing another friend from the experience. I know this makes me a better, and stronger person, because I interact with others, period.
The writers goal then, is to alienate us from one another, yet he clearly tries to state we're racists, or rednecks, or overweight, or anything other than a picture of normal. His picture of normal.

The man also needs glasses, or different ones. He sees the world as a dim, dismal, objectionable place. I pity him...


Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
Have to admit I didn't read it all. After the first building I knew he wasn't worth my time. I was at a gun show today and didn't see it. Lots of involved conversation of many subjects. IMO this was written to appeal to a anti-gun instructor.
 
No, I agree, folks-- this guy's pretty good at what he does. His efforts toward tarring everyone with the same brush are well-applied.

Consider:

If you give lip-service to free speech (1st Ammendment, anyone?), you're clearly in support of any of the views espoused by anyone at the show.

If you are right of center, you are an "extremest": <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"You get the impression when talking to him that there is a point beyond which he will not go, and the militia movement is that point. Still, his friendly manner does not conceal the fact that he is a Second Amendment extremist."[/quote]
(WTF, over?!? Review those two mutually exclusive statements! To be an "extremist" means that you are to the extreme.)

Then there's the implication that if he can't readily see the iniquities he seeks, you're clearly hiding them: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Actually, though, racism at the gun show is more implicit than explicit.[/quote]This falls somewhere along the same lines as the guy on the street shouting: "Stop staring at me! Stop looking at me!!! Hey, why aren't you looking at me?!? Do you find something wrong with me?!?" You see, folks, we clearly ALL are subliminally racist and ethnocentric, and our denial of the problem is proof of our collective personality disorder.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Certainly many attendees are not racist at all."[/quote] Implying that a goodly portion, probably most, most definitely are. (That's why he had to point out the good guys for you... wouldn't want to be unfair, here.)

His references to safety re: dry-firing, chamber-checking, and alcohol are all condescending, and from the standpoint of: "Thank Gawd we have these rules to keep these people from killing themselves and others!"

Finally, he ends with the apparent observation that these buffoons can't even make a good order of french fries; time to head to a Big Boy he noticed on the way out to the fairgrounds. Without being too crass, I too have seen his photo, and don't doubt that he had every intention of hitting that Big Boy, good fries or no.

He parts with this summation of logic: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Alas, the calls of my stomach win out over my interest in the PRO Gun Show. So I take my leave, for the time being. The patriot movement, I am sure, will survive without me."[/quote] This is the last brushstroke in a painting he is trying to portray for you: Patriot Movement = Militia.
Gunshow = Patriot Movement.
Ergo: Gunshow = Militia.
Of course: Militia = Radical racist extremests, so:
Gunshow = Radical Racial Extremism

This guy's got ability. Too bad he's an elitist, muckraking, spin-doctor.

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Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap?

Matt

[This message has been edited by Long Path (edited February 07, 2000).]
 
Methinks Mark Pitcavage has never been to a gunshow in L.A. Talk about diversity. Like to see him diss one of the homies with that verbage. Actually, he looks like a friend of mine from New York, only twice as large. It seems the only thing our jounalist friend was an expert at in the gunshow was the french fries ;^) RKBA!

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THE .41 MAN
HAVE MORE FUN WITH A .41
 
Pitcavage's name rang a bell, and after searching around, he's the guy that's been accused of Reno/DOJ funding to study and smear "right-wing-militia-hate groups". He denies this vehemently.

He's been all over various usenet groups. Just search on his name at Deja, you'll get lots of hits - like 41,000 (!!).

It looks like he's been in a pissin' contest with World Net Daily, among others. Since I like WND, I'm not favorably inclined towards this guy. In general, he seems to be a troll.

Thread from misc.activism.militia titled "Reno's $2 million 'private' spy - Mark Pitcavage" = lots of World Net Daily content

Another thread

Lots more where these came from. Seems to really have it in for militia groups, uses a lot of Clintonesque/Orwellian rhetoric.


[This message has been edited by JimR (edited February 07, 2000).]
 
While I have to agree with him about the look of the average gun show attendee (baseball caps, jeans, plaid shirts), I have to say, "So what?" Who does he think he is, Blackwell? And the comment about pot bellies, after veiwing his photo, is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Does a certain look necessarily mean someone can be instantly pigeonholed into a certain group? Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't, but he doesn't seem willing to give any benefit of the doubt to gun show patrons, which only shows his bias all the more glaringly.

This guy is a lightweight when it comes to journalism. Only those who are already predisposed to be anti-gun, ignorant beyond belief (sadly, this includes too many Americans--public (Govt.) schools' gift to the country), or both, would swallow his transparent attempt at indoctrination. His tripe isn't really worth further comment.
DAL

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Reading "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal," by Ayn Rand, should be required of every politician and in every high school.
GOA, JPFO, PPFC, CSSA, LP, NRA
 
One of the things that caught my eye was the his discription of what is obviously the cover of the novel "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.

"One eye-catching novel features a photograph of a heavily equipped military figure, complete with gas mask and rifle, poking at a shapely but prostrate (and very scantily clad, might I add) Justice."

I wonder if he has read the book? Or could it be that he has and is trying to "dirty" it in some way to discourage others from reading it?
This guy really needs to get a clue.

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Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness. H.G. Wells The Time Machine
 
I live in Columbus and have attended many of the Hilliard shows. Those things of which he speaks can be found there. Some of the books and a few of the people are a little disturbing, but that is the price of freedom. What he fails to say is that 90% of the people there are normal,average,typical law abiding folks. This is one of the few events in the city where you can strike up a conversation with a complete stranger and end up gabbing like old buddies for an hour.
I went to the PRO show at Hilliard this weekend and had a great time. That fat guy is still at the door!!
 
It's easy to find this guy's leftist slanted rhetoric by doing a web search on militia information.

It sounds as though he feels a great need to "expose" his hate for "bubbaism" that follows the gun show circuits. His stereotypifying is laughable, as he could just as easily claim to have seen the same sort of demographically charactorized people at an antique show, or a flea market, or a custom car show, or an AKC dog show. This prejudiced piece of liberal smear seems to typify the author's hate for all of those Americans who do not some how meet his political, cultural, and/or societal left wing standards.

His reference to "door sharks" was very funny. Since I've never heard any reference to door sharks other than from this author, it seems obvious that he is simply attempting to demonize a legitimate American past time. Especially that part of society that doesn't conform to the leftist agenda (to eventually control every action of every American citizen). In reality, these very people who attend gun shows, make the dynamics of the market place possible. People who bring their personal firearms to shows intending to sell or trade them, find that they are sometimes better off selling to other show patrons looking for a better deal than with a dealer. This process usually results in a much better deal for both buyer and seller in the transaction. And since we are talking about "privately owned firearms", such transactions are done so between show patrons legally. The competition this activity creates is healthy for gun shows, and keeps the dealers from charging too much (or under paying for firearms purchased from individuals).

The dealers at the shows have to follow strict federal regulations when selling any of their dealer held firearms, and do so habitually.

The fact that gun shows attract freedom loving Americans seems to be the basis for this author's thesis. His inference that all gun show patrons should be hunters is simply a display of ignorance. His demonizing of everything from knives, to military memorabilia, to the patrons (and their vehicles) is just plain insulting.

If you sent a vegan to a meat market, he/she would be just as repulsed as an anti-gun fanatic would be at a gun show. Unfortuneately, it is this type of media bias that leaks into mainstream news reports...sending the unedited leftist message into American living rooms.



[This message has been edited by Paul Revere (edited February 07, 2000).]
 
Where are these gun shows where women get in free!? Can anyone verify, I've always seen EVERYONE pay at the door.
 
Not much else to say. There is the connection with McVeigh--McVeigh "frequented gun shows." Uh huh. What's your point? I also frequent gunshows and I'm not a murderer. McVeigh probably frequented McDonald's too. Maybe even a movie theater where they showed violent movies. Probably went to Sears a lot. So friggin' what?

That, and the NRA rep being a "2nd Amendment extremist" because he "wants more than just one rifle to hunt deer with." I would characterize an extremist as a person who stretches their interpretation of the amendment extremely far to one side. That would apply more to some guy who thinks it only guarantees one rifle for hunting (NOT mentioned in the amendment) than someone who thinks it guarantees weapons for militia use (explicitly stated by the amendment.)

The thing that really burns me up is that this guy, and my friends who talk about militia members, are not talking about the militia. They're talking about groups like the Montana Freemen, groups that engage in activities that are criminal by anyone's standards and then try to weasel out by declaring themselves to be legitimate "militias." A lot of Colombian drug runners use "import/export companies" as covers; that does not, nor should it, change the meaning of the term "import/export company" to mean "a criminal gang that smuggles drugs across the border." How does anyone then justify changing the term "militia" to mean "terrorists" just because a few terrorist morons call themselves militiamen? Would we believe these thugs if they called themselves insurance salesmen and start cranking out propaganda against the insurance industry?
 
I've always had to pay to get in a gun shows Jack 99 <shrug> Maybe I'm getting ripped off :o)
As a wanna be writter myself I failed to find a point to any of his writing and therefor dissmissed it altogether.
Sure there was a lot of hinting and coments on what he saw and what he thought about it but never once did he come to any conclusions. If he was trying to get at something he should have got there without vague chatter that hid or removed the point completely.
Oh look a guy, oh a girl selling perfume, oh militia, oh a nazi flag.. Humm they must all be related somehow.
I could be as specific talking about a fashion show (something I've never had expiriance with!!!)
Oh look a thousand doller dress <add comment about rich woman> Oh look a costly gentlemans sport coat <add comment about men> Gee I'm starvin, I's off to sizzler!
Now what would that prove?
Maybe that I'm a moron and have no business writing about anything I dont understand.
 
Tank-

I pretty much dismissed this guy too.

Now if only he wasn't funded with my tax dollars, I could dismiss this idiot entirely.
 
Mark Pitcavage... What an Idiot.
He would make a good guest for the Rosie Show. Big fat idiots might make a good couple - then people would realize who the extremists are and then stop listening.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Hill:
Mark Pitcavage... What an Idiot.
He would make a good guest for the Rosie Show. Big fat idiots might make a good couple - then people would realize who the extremists are and then stop listening.

:mad:
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ROFL!!!!!!!!!
AGREED!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D


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Rangers Lead the Way
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tank Girl:
I've always had to pay to get in a gun shows Jack 99 <shrug> Maybe I'm getting ripped off :o)
As a wanna be writter myself I failed to find a point to any of his writing and therefor dissmissed it altogether.
Maybe that I'm a moron and have no business writing about anything I dont understand.
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Hey Girl , He was following the first rule of Freshman Composition 101 . If you can't pass the course then pass the Professor . That is to say that writing with great fervor about something the Prof. is passionate about is worth one full grade . An average story about sailing is a C unless the Prof. is an avid sailor . You now have a B . This punk is trying to impress the people that pay the bills . He writes what they want to hear , they pay him , duuuuhhhh. Life goes on . If you like what a writer is saying then they can have run on sentences and more than a few typos . If you don't like it then it may as well be the Bible . You still won't like it . As I said before he is just whoring himself to the Anti's for a paycheck . The only difference I see between him and street whores is that the street whores watch their weight a bit closer .
 
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