We had to kill our patients

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Doctors working in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans killed critically ill patients rather than leaving them to die in agony as they evacuated hospitals, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
With gangs of rapists and looters rampaging through wards in the flooded city, senior doctors took the harrowing decision to give massive overdoses of morphine to those they believed could not make it out alive.

In an extraordinary interview with The Mail on Sunday, one New Orleans doctor told how she 'prayed for God to have mercy on her soul' after she ignored every tenet of medical ethics and ended the lives of patients she had earlier fought to save.

Her heart-rending account has been corroborated by a hospital orderly and by local government officials. One emergency official, William 'Forest' McQueen, said: "Those who had no chance of making it were given a lot of morphine and lain down in a dark place to die."

Euthanasia is illegal in Louisiana, and The Mail on Sunday is protecting the identities of the medical staff concerned to prevent them being made scapegoats for the events of last week.

Their families believe their confessions are an indictment of the appalling failure of American authorities to help those in desperate need after Hurricane Katrina flooded the city, claiming thousands of lives and making 500,000 homeless.

'These people were going to die anyway'

The doctor said: "I didn't know if I was doing the right thing. But I did not have time. I had to make snap decisions, under the most appalling circumstances, and I did what I thought was right.

"I injected morphine into those patients who were dying and in agony. If the first dose was not enough, I gave a double dose. And at night I prayed to God to have mercy on my soul."

The doctor, who finally fled her hospital late last week in fear of being murdered by the armed looters, said: "This was not murder, this was compassion. They would have been dead within hours, if not days. We did not put people down. What we did was give comfort to the end.

"I had cancer patients who were in agony. In some cases the drugs may have speeded up the death process.

"We divided patients into three categories: those who were traumatized but medically fit enough to survive, those who needed urgent care, and the dying.

"People would find it impossible to understand the situation. I had to make life-or-death decisions in a split second.

"It came down to giving people the basic human right to die with dignity.

"There were patients with Do Not Resuscitate signs. Under normal circumstances, some could have lasted several days. But when the power went out, we had nothing.

"Some of the very sick became distressed. We tried to make them as comfortable as possible.

"The pharmacy was under lockdown because gangs of armed looters were roaming around looking for their fix. You have to understand these people were going to die anyway."

Mr McQueen, a utility manager for the town of Abita Springs, half an hour north of New Orleans, told relatives that patients had been 'put down', saying: "They injected them, but nurses stayed with them until they died."

Mr McQueen has been working closely with emergency teams and added: "They had to make unbearable decisions."

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Anyone hear anything about this? Is it for real?

If so, since they have indited the Nursing home owners...
 
Someone else will have to judge (and will). I cannot and will not. I would not want to have been in any of their shoes...there, but for the grace of God.... :(
 
For those that haven't been in the military, or have but don't know how the medics work.

You have three catagories as the wounded come in:

1. Triage(sp) now: Those that can be saved but they have to get into surgery NOW.

2. "forget the term": Those that are going to make it but they can be stabilized and wait for a table.

3. Expectant: This is the term that stuck with me. What happens is that the people (soldiers) are going to die. There is no way to evact them in time to save them. They are given "special care" where the docs and the nurses are very nice, try to clam them down. Then they "give" something to make it better, usually an overdose of Morphine. And the nurses stay and hold the hands of those people until they go to sleep, they will never wake up.

In the military, it's considered humane. As far as I'm concerned, the docs did what they had to do, to be humane.

Wayne
 
Look at the source guys!!! This is a British gossip rag. Remember England, home of universal gun control, room temperature beer and Prince Charles? :barf:
 
I feel empathy for the doctors and for the patients, and for the patients' families as well, but this seems to have been a heart-wrenching decision that was not taken lightly, and in view of the circumstances, I don't see what else could have been done.

I think that there should be a system that will shield the decision makers from liability due to the severe extenuating circumstances -- possibly after a gentle review board reviews each case with the utmost of understanding and leniency. I don't think anyone believes that these doctors did this due to malfeasance, greed, laziness or anything other than compassion.

Who would say, "No, you should have left them to starve to death," or "No, you should have stayed with them at risk of harm or death to yourself"?


-blackmind
 
Actually, blackmind brings up the "other side of the coin".

At a nursing home, the owners are being held for the "murder" of 34 residents because the staff, left.

The government, state and local, are saying that they failed to get them out before the storm, but overlook that they did the same when they had fleets of buses which are now ruined.

So where is the right, and the wrong, here? If the local governments won't take the blame for not getting people out (the buses, which is in the evac plan), then how can they blame the owners of the home for not doing the same?

Then you have people that wouldn't have made it, and if they had, the heat/humidity would soon have killed them. Not a good death (how many here are in the South, or been in the South, during the summer? I have and I was in good shape, and I still needed water and a fan). It was one way, or the other.

Me, I would have liked to just go to sleep. Hell, I'm not afraid anyway, I know where I am going and that is a much better place anyway.

Now the doctors will most likely be charged, but you have to ask yourself, is what the doctors did humane and didn't allow the pain and suffering of the people that wouldn't make it? Or did the staff members do right when they just allowed the people to die badly? Both will be in jail, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Wayne
 
This sounds like a fabricated story to me. A physician who choses to employ euthanasia will hardly go about spilling their guts to a British tabloid reporter. A person who is smart enough to make it through medical school is smart enough to keep their trap shut.
 
M&M and XB nailed it.
The Brit tabloids have taken to hiring scifi writers for so many of their publications that nothing coming out of the kingdom has any credibility, with me at least
 
The Brit tabloids have taken to hiring scifi writers for so many of their publications that nothing coming out of the kingdom has any credibility, with me at least

Calling the tabloid writers scifi writers is to me a gross insult to scifi writers.

OTOH, the 'killing the patients' part might actually have a kernel of truth. Consider patients requiring a continuous oxygen supply to live and that they'll start suffocating without it. What do you for your patients do when, in situations like this, the supplies are interrupted long-term and running low and that evacuation is for some reason unavailable or impossible? It's an ugly ethical question I can't answer and hopefully will never have to answer.

Cheers,
ErikM :D
 
the 'killing the patients' part might actually have a kernel of truth.
That's the problem with these tabloids. the stories have just enough truth to them to keep them from being outright fabrication.

There probably was actually a hospital in New Orleans that had some doctors working there, and some patients probably did die there.
Now without any names to go on or anyway to verify the story PROVE that it is a lie
 
There is a world of difference between administering comfort through medication during a period of time when resources are unavailable to keep a patient alive and euthanasia.

I do not doubt the former occured. If it had not, I would be livid as a health care provider. I somehow doubt the later occured, although patients who were dying were segregated into different areas with hand made signs reading "Dying Patients Please Respect". These patients were given comfort measures, including MS04, which will depress respirations. That is a long way from actively bringing on death for a patient though.

Yep, there is a kernel or two of truth here, but it is a perfect example of how truth can be manipulated into propaganda and fallacy. This journalistic screw job has succeeded in defaming every healthcare provider who worked diligently by flashlight in floodwaters for days with no sleep and little food to keep people alive. A sincere apology is warranted, none is expected.
 
*ahem*

The patients were all injected with a "normal" dose of diluted morphine sulfate, but a freak accident occurred where a bottle of full strength morphine was mislabelled/misread in the dark after the power outage and all the administered patients recieved a fatal overdose.

There, convenient cover story.

And no, I don't think any doctor doing such would be given harsh treatment in the next world because of it.
 
And no, I don't think any doctor doing such would be given harsh treatment in the next world because of it.

And I don't think any doctor doing such would seek publicity. If a doctor had to make that choice, he would be heartbroken and extremely soul saddened. He would not talk about it to a crass reporter. No way. Maybe to a priest in a confessional, maybe to a deeply trusted colleague, but never to a reporter. No way.
 
True, it isn't in a responsible paper and I haven't heard anything more on the subject (the doctors).

Yet, I still stand behind my above post, if it was a matter of dying from dehydration, lack of oxygen, etc.. then the overdose of Morphine was the right way to go.

Yet if it comes out that doctors did this, what would be your honest opinion on what they did? Let's hit that aspect, IRL or not. What do you think about the option?

Wayne
 
A look from the inside...

Working in the medical field, let me throw in some first hand experience. When the decision of who is valuable, who is suffering, or who would just be better off dead is left into the hands of an individual, you had better darn well trust that individual. I have run into a lot of tired, callous, amoral individuals that feel if someone is not capable of a 4.4 sec/40 yard dash and if they don't have the IQ of Ben Stein, then they are pieces of crap. Before the status quo, of trying to protect innocent life (including the elderly), is changed, people need to think long and hard. In Holland, where physician assisted suicide is legal, a lot of folks are afraid to go to the hospital because they feared being, "offed," by their doctor. I frequently think a patient is going to die or is suffering too much, but to my surprise they often pull through and do well. DO NOT LEAVE THE DECISION OF WHETHER TO LIVE OR DIE IN THE HANDS OF MEDICINE, because medicine does not always see you as a son, a mother, a dad, but instead often sees you as just another, "gomer," or "rock," terms that implicity show that the staff doesn't give a crap about that individual.
 
Yet if it comes out that doctors did this, what would be your honest opinion on what they did?
If under the given circumstances they were in fact terminal , the only choice was slow agonizing death or a peaceful transition, and there was no way of getting them out or getting help to them.
I could not fault them and would hope for the same compassion if was my time
 
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