We are making them nervous in CA
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Very nice. This Californian has put his money where his mouth is, sponsored several NRA memberships, donations etc. And been seen in a less than popular light for my literal "extreme" views on the constitution, which is to say I actually read and study it. There are a few of us who have remained in pansy land to fight.
I can tell you Ive seen Damn few signs in this county (mendocino) for Gore, quite a number for Bush though, including the Vote Freedom First! bumpersticker on my car.
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I can tell you Ive seen Damn few signs in this county (mendocino) for Gore, quite a number for Bush though, including the Vote Freedom First! bumpersticker on my car.
[This message has been edited by Dave D (edited October 24, 2000).]
Fearing He'll Hurt Gore, Nader Pulls CA Ads
The GREENs were always a joke, now it's clear that they're just a tool of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Their only mission is to get federal campaign money from Washington in 2004 so they can beat up on Republicans and help Dems get elected. In that respect not much different from the REFORM PARTY. Not that I suspect many on this board were voting for Nader anyway. -- Kernel
The GREENs were always a joke, now it's clear that they're just a tool of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Their only mission is to get federal campaign money from Washington in 2004 so they can beat up on Republicans and help Dems get elected. In that respect not much different from the REFORM PARTY. Not that I suspect many on this board were voting for Nader anyway. -- Kernel
NOTHING for Gore in the Placer or El Dorado counties of CA. I have seen any in Sacramento either.
There's hope. Bush has to do his part by hitting back HARD when attacked. However, they may be waiting until the media doesn't have time to beat them up for going 'negative'.
madison46
There's hope. Bush has to do his part by hitting back HARD when attacked. However, they may be waiting until the media doesn't have time to beat them up for going 'negative'.
madison46
Erik, That's true in a sense but IMO Gore's defeat is not what the Greens want. To me the Greens appear to be a tool of the Democratic Party, an election year phenomena they spring up out of no where, get what media attention they can, then disappear into the woodwork once the election is over (kinda reminds you of the Reform Party, don't it).
The Dems know that can't get a clear majority of the American popular vote. They need a third party to help unlevel the playing field. It takes two Parties to defeat the Republicans, that was proved in '92 and '96. It's a clever scheme, let's dissect it. Look what's happening in these last few days of the election. The Greens are picking their fights very cautiously, pulling out of Kali now that it's in play, being careful to not actually hurt Gore. Here's the strategy:
In States they know Bush will win they'll take every vote they can get. They know it can't hurt Gore, he's already lost.
In States were Gore will win by double digits they'll take every vote they can get. They know at best they'll pull down 6 or 7% of the vote, that can't hurt Gore.
In States were Bush & Gore are even the Greens are backing off. Why? Because they want Gore to win. This is how you know who their true Masters are.
Remember, it's State-by-State electoral votes that determine who's President and electoral votes are all or nothing. Any State that Bush wins the Greens could have every other popular vote in that State and it wouldn't hurt Gore one bit, if Gore loses a State by even one popular vote he get zero electoral votes from that State anyway. But in States that are close the Green's could tip the balance to Bush. In those States the Greens are backing off because all a candidate needs is a plurality and he gets all the Electoral votes, they don't want that to happen because it favors Bush.
The Greens aren't out to get elected, they're really just after money. Money that'll be use to get more Democrats elected. The Greens need just 5% of the popular vote, they don't need (and won't get) a single electoral vote. With 5% of the popular vote they get free federal money in the next election. Something like $20 or $50 million. Every cent of which will be used to defeat Republican candidates. If Nader gets 5% in this election the Democrats will essentially have twice the TV money as the Republicans in 2004.
Bottom line is I hope Nader gets 4.999% of the popular vote and every one of those votes comes from a State where Gore and Bush are tied. -- Kernel
[This message has been edited by Kernel (edited October 25, 2000).]
The Dems know that can't get a clear majority of the American popular vote. They need a third party to help unlevel the playing field. It takes two Parties to defeat the Republicans, that was proved in '92 and '96. It's a clever scheme, let's dissect it. Look what's happening in these last few days of the election. The Greens are picking their fights very cautiously, pulling out of Kali now that it's in play, being careful to not actually hurt Gore. Here's the strategy:
In States they know Bush will win they'll take every vote they can get. They know it can't hurt Gore, he's already lost.
In States were Gore will win by double digits they'll take every vote they can get. They know at best they'll pull down 6 or 7% of the vote, that can't hurt Gore.
In States were Bush & Gore are even the Greens are backing off. Why? Because they want Gore to win. This is how you know who their true Masters are.
Remember, it's State-by-State electoral votes that determine who's President and electoral votes are all or nothing. Any State that Bush wins the Greens could have every other popular vote in that State and it wouldn't hurt Gore one bit, if Gore loses a State by even one popular vote he get zero electoral votes from that State anyway. But in States that are close the Green's could tip the balance to Bush. In those States the Greens are backing off because all a candidate needs is a plurality and he gets all the Electoral votes, they don't want that to happen because it favors Bush.
The Greens aren't out to get elected, they're really just after money. Money that'll be use to get more Democrats elected. The Greens need just 5% of the popular vote, they don't need (and won't get) a single electoral vote. With 5% of the popular vote they get free federal money in the next election. Something like $20 or $50 million. Every cent of which will be used to defeat Republican candidates. If Nader gets 5% in this election the Democrats will essentially have twice the TV money as the Republicans in 2004.
Bottom line is I hope Nader gets 4.999% of the popular vote and every one of those votes comes from a State where Gore and Bush are tied. -- Kernel
[This message has been edited by Kernel (edited October 25, 2000).]