We are all gang members.

Nice of them to give us their email addresses huh? Send them a pilite note. Here's mine:

________________________
Troy,

I hope you will consider changing your department's web site to remove the term "Constitutionalists (militia)" from you task list.

First of all I am married, have a family, work as a test Engineer for an electronics design firm and consider myself to be a Constitutionalist. Also as an able bodied law-abiding male between the age of 17 and 49 ( per US code) I am part of the US militia, and so are you in fact.

Secondly, by the definition of the above words, there is absolutely nothing illegal with being a "Constitutonalist" or a "Militia" member.

What I believe your department is attempting to say is actually better described by the term "radical anarchists" - those who would violently overthrow a legal government.

Please understand that the choice of words on your web site actually labels, inaccurately, law-abiding Americans as some type of criminal element. I hope your department will change this on the site.

With Best Ragards,
_____________________________

Well? Get busy.

CMOS

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The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.

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Dang CMOS!! Great letter. That might even get his attention. But I doubt it, he has probably been programmed to accept zero tolerance for "Constitutionalists".
 
I suppose it would be only fair for us to list them as NKVD...

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My letter,

Deputy Dolyniuk,

Why are people who support the Constitution classified as gang members?

Why do you intend to investigate every single able bodied male citizen, otherwise known as militia?

Consider these quotes from persons obviously unknown to you:

'The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense . . . [and that] when called for
service, these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.
U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) US Supreme Court

It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the States, and in view of this prerogative of the general government...the States cannot, even
laying the constitutional provision in question [the Second Amendment] out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and
bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government. U.S. Supreme Court, Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of
Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for
the common defense.
U.S. Supreme Court, U.S. v. Miller (1939)

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people
always possess arms . . . "
Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53 (1788).

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people.
George Mason, during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution
(1788)

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially
when young, how to use them . . . . The mind that aims at a select militia [note: like the National Guard], must be influenced by a
truly anti-republican principle.'
Richard Henry Lee, Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, ed.
Walter Hartwell Bennett

Who are the militia? are they not ourselves?...Congress has no power to disarm the militia....Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands
of the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette February 20, 1788

Deputy Dolyniuk, I suggest you concentrate instead on the Socialists. They are the ones to watch out for these days

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Here's my letter, sent to each ones e-mail. BS like this makes me wanna go brake something :mad:


Hola friend of Hitler, and enemy of democracy, equal rights, the constitution, and anything that doesn't suit you.

I recently visited the Washington County IGET website, and must say, I am atmost, disappointed. I Find many things wrong with your website, from poor choice, to constitutional wrong doings.

to start out, instead of being like a "real" police department, or county sherriffs office, and devided your men up among different types of crimes, such as assault, homicide, robbery, etc. You choose to split them up into racial, or belief groups: Mexicans, asians, and "constitutionals." As if you think you should split them up to train them for one certain "species" of criminal. Like an asian, or Mexican, or white sepremist murderer is different.

Then, you list and show pictures of things that are not criminal. i.e. haveing an 18th street tattoo, or a KKK tattoo for that matter. Maybe the man with the 18th street tat was part of a nieghborhood watch program, or building homes for the homeless. Did you ask him? of course not. Secondly, What if they are a member of the KKK? What if they are white sepremists and just don't like minorities? Are you gonna beat and arrest them, hold them and take pictures of them (I sincerely doubt you asked for their permission to post pictures of them on the internet, you are breaking privacy laws, and could be sued)?

Last I read freedom of both speech and exspression were still legal, which brings me to my biggest bitch, why are constitutionalists on your list of perps? You know constitutionalists, people who believe dearly in the constitution, the very code of laws that you were sworn to protect? Yeah, I didn't figure you know what they were. I can't believe somebody has given you A loaded gun and turned you loose on america with absolute athority, and you have no idea what is against the law and what isn't. I could help but notice there weren't any REAL bad guys on your page, you know, murderers, and rapists. Oh I guess your just soo busy hanging out at the local tattoo parlor cuffing red blooded americans as they come out the doors that you've completely forgot what real crime was. Well It's been fun, but I try not to associate with communist sons of fat rotten sows, Nexttime, lets work on some facts. And feel free to write me back, I'd love to argue some more points with ya. NB.

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I feel left out- they didn't show us what a constitutionalist ( militia ) tatoo is supposed to look like, and I was all set to go out and get one as soon as I knew what to get!
crankshaft
paranoia seems well justified after seeing that website!
 
This doesn't mean I have to go buy a jennings does it ? :( , Excuse me while I run down to da store and buy a pair of size 48 pant's, I wear a 36 so that should be enough.

Seriously though, eventually they will arrest us proactively. Sorry to all you good LEO's out there but please understand that the "LEO bashing" threads arn't aimed at you personally, we don't have beef with officers that don't support the gestapo tactics of this administration and I appreciate you sticking your neck out to do what is right, which if you do what is right you're going to stick it out, but the rantings, which are legitimate, are against persons such as these, tools for the gestapo - future SS officers, who have no respect for the rights of their fellow citizens and are indeed worse then armed robbers and in fact are even one in the same, add to that privacy violation, kidnapping, assault, false imprisonment and the latest trend seems to be deliberate murder. Make no mistake, some of your fellow officers are criminal scum, worse then a lot of folks you get off the street that actually deserve it. These people represent a more dangerous threat to public safety then serial killers, they think nothing of ruining peoples lives on a day to day basis, as career criminals it is their job. It is my feeling that the officers that represent the good of the community for real, who understand the concept of morality over law, are the only thing holding us back from the wholesale slaughter and imprisonment of the population at large.
 
Scud,

Just to clarify, I'm not LEO bashing, just pointing out the politics that come from the top down.

Kevin Starrett, executive director of the Oregon Firearms Federation, telephoned a senior level Sergeant in the gang enforcement unit. Apparently, this person was very polite, reasonable, and willing to talk. He admitted that he was the person who assigned the titles of Constitutionalist and Militia to the Deputy's job title. He decided on the title based on seminars and materials from the, you guessed it, FBI.

He has agreed to change the title to "anarchist". He's been flooded with letters, faxes, calls, etc. He now seems to understand the difference between "us" and those who were actually commiting acts of violence and sabotage.

Just another reason to get the Fed's out of local law enforcement matters.

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Oregon residents please support the Oregon Firearms Federation, our local "No compromise" chapter of the GOA. http://www.oregonfirearms.org
 
Longshot,

Sorry if you got the wrong idea, I know you wern't. What I was saying is that threads of this nature are not cop bashing at all, they are addressing a legitimate problem, IMO the single biggest problem we are facing today. The rights violations being preformed by these departments are getting way out of control and IMO there needs to be some discussion of these topics. I just used the term "cop bashing" because it seems to come up when things of this nature are discusses.
Again, my apologies for the mis-understanding.

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